>twosideddeath: Are you saying that some people are inherently more valuable than others?

to say that everyone is equal is obviously a false statement. some are born without limbs, some incapable of complex thought. what about other life forms? is a blue fin tuna equal to a chicken? no for many reason such as size, use, and abbundance. its part of evolution, its part of survival. are these values apparent or set in stone? no, as we evolve demands change. in a warzone a doctor would be more valuable than a band member or a banker. this value can grow or deplete with age and training. is it fair? no. should we make every decision about thier value? only when a sacrifice must be made. upsetting that this is the only point you would take out of my statement but i see you are trying to advance this argument.

twosidedeath: My argument has always been that this is an invalid point, and the fact that we argue the value of human life, even in a relatistic way, is a poor reflection on human society. Also evolution does not place any value on any life, so to say it is part of evolution is incorrect and shows a lack of knowledge about evolution. Things evolve not because they have a greater value, but mostly due to luck and a little to being a round peg when there is a round hole. Also Human life, from a evolutionary/universal point of view also is no different to any other life form, the only reason we value human life over other forms is because we are human. Evolution did not channel towards us, the fact that we exisit is more luck than anything.

Also it appears your argument is not on "value" but on "usefulness" which is also a different thing. No human life has a value, but may have a variable usefulness to society (whatever sub-group we talk about) that we can rank on for that situation. However to argue that some people are inherantly "better" or of more "value" is an invalid argument and has no meaning. May as well argue the colour of gravity.

Flint: Both have no value, as both are not things that can have a value, the answer is "error." If you think that one or the other has some value. no matter the number, I would argue that you are not helping society.

IA: That speech does not relate to value but to charactistics. It still has issues, but is not valid in this argument (or at least the argument I am putting forward.)

Well You_Fool seems to think medical care grows on tree's to be plucked at a moments notice.

I however am more wise.

I also say there is a price of death I am willing to pay,

For instance there is currently 5k traffic fatalities a year. I am not willing to pay the price needed to make that 0 traffic deaths or even a thousand traffic deaths. The prices are too high.

I use an analogy about security and safety. You can out a metal dome over a city to protect it from falling debris from space but the cost to buiodk, plus the lost sunlight, the stale air, the end of rain, and the lack of air travel.

To spen a billion dollars saaving a life is to much. To spend one hundred million dollars is to much, to spend ten million, I say, is to much. A million for every person is to much.

The problem lies also with the presumption that the government should be involved in this.

I ask, what happens to a company with too many different branches? Invariably its beuracracy starts crippling it.

Flint: And you want to run for public office? It is views like you have that remind me why right wing theories on society are wrong and have no place in a forward thinking society (and yes I know how much of a generalisation saying this is)

How can you value a human life? What costing structure can you possibly use? Once you use this costing does this mean we can start saying that some people are worth less than others and thus are second (or third) class citizens?

How much is your life worth flint? Can I buy you?

There is only so many doctors, only so many high res MRI devices, only so much donated blood, only so much donated kidneys, only so much donated hearts, only a small supply of bone marrow donors, only so much we can do for flesh eating virus, or allergies against ones own body....

You bseem to think with a sweep of a hand it is not a problem.

This why Conservatives feel Liberals like yourself live in a fantasy land. No cost is to high!

Sorry but the world cannot run that way and attempts to make it run that way will ultimately result in much more loss than leaving it well alone.

Btw for the record there is no such thing as a soul.

@Bara,

No, not at all. Those are not US numbers. flint just pulled them out of his butt like he usually does.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf

Life should be the reward of people who can figure out the paperwork

this will lead to a society full of effete fruit eating doofuses living off the Morlocks

what could go wrong

I think my price is too high for you.

I can accept:
1) End of Liberalism in the world
2) End of Tyranny in the world (sorry for redundancy)
3) Ten Constitutional Amendments: Fair Tax, Balanced Budget, No Subsidies, Fixed Tax Rate,No Gay Marriage, No Federal Healthcare (except Veterans), Voter ID Requirement, Federal Government is for Defense Only, English as the National Language, and No Amnesty of any sort for Illegal Aliens
4) Giving Conservatives a Super Majority in the House and Senate as well as the Presidency for 8 years as well as the Impeachment of the Liberl Judges in all Federal Courts
5) The airing, and then punishment, for all lies, hypocracies, and crimes by those to the left of me

Any of those five will do. In exchange I will surender myself for slavery including allowing torture of any sort or even my death without it being a crime. I would do my utter best at any task set forth for me.

That's 'my price'

Now in medical care I frequently either go without or pay my way myself now. I don't know the status of some medical bills from when I was depressed but since they are not on my credit record I assume they were writtten off.

.45 ACP is like $0.36 a round

It is not alien, but you said that life has a value, and that you would not value it at even $1mill, so how much is it? What is the value you put on human life, on your own? How much can I buy you for in cold hard cash...

Also Flint no matter where you trained, 1 bullet is enough as long as the marksmen is good enough.... or gets a good jump on you....