51 (edited by V.Kemp 29-Apr-2012 14:00:45)

Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

You generalize about all drugs as if pot is heroin, meth, crack, etc. This is not an indicator of education or expertise; it's an indicator of the opposite. You claimed that pot was significantly more harmful than alcohol. That's just laughable. If I have to explain, explaining is pointless; because you're clearly willing to deny reality in order to maintain your dogma.


You ignore statistics regarding decriminalization and usage rates. This is not an indicator of education or expertise; it's an indicator of the opposite. All of the knowledge of drug users' mentalities is useless if what you support doesn't reduce usage rates. Great, you're a great saint who wants to save people from drugs. So you support spending billions and getting people killed in order to... have 0 impact on usage rates? You're not even arguing your position. You haven't responded to this simple fact one time in weeks.

You ignore the fact that knowing you is irrelevant. Your case needs to stand on its own, not on an appeal to authority. You claim I dismiss you "out of hand without a clue." This is just a gem, considering that I've responded to every silly, ignorant "argument" you've posted; and you've literally ignored every single one of mine, including the ones that decimate your position and even vilify you for supporting the pointless waste of billions and tens of thousands of deaths. Even pointing out that what you support gets tons of people killed doesn't illicit a response. You must know you have a weak case to let even that slide.

"He tries to dismiss with a tainted site drug related crashes. Excuse me but Marijuana causes halucigens and while it speeds the blood rate up it slows the mind down. "

Your argument is bullshit and we both know it. This is a concession both of your total defeat and that you're trolling. I could find dozens more articles and academic studies showing it. I've explained it. Your ignorant (because they're false) claims don't change reality. What garbage.

Repeating that you have a small amount of experience with addicts -- purely from their perspective and not one of study -- is not an argument. I've made many. You've responded to none, choosing instead to repeat yourself that I'm stupid and god damnit you're an expert. If you're never going to respond to a single argument against your position, face it: You've conceded, facing the facts is unpleasant, and we're done.

No wonder this topic upsets you. You're committed to believing a bunch of complete falsehoods and reality confronts you constantly. Why the hell would you bring it up on a forum? This is just embarrassing.

In your "what do you call" hilarity, you left out that you're the bedroom police and you care about other people's junk. Because in the face of the economy of hundreds of millions and people's very lives (warfare), bedroom policing is really on that level and needs federal attention. Additionally, you left out the fact that your "drug war" is wasteful and gets people killed. In weeks you've never responded to this simple argument.

It's clear now that you're angry at libertarians because you can't argue an even half decent case in defense of your positions against theirs. You haven't even attempted to respond to a single one of my arguments on drugs in weeks. You don't even mention homosexuality because you won't dare respond to a single one of my arguments on that topic either.

You're just mad because I'm relatively Libertarian and Libertarians alone can call you a sheep and a corporate whore. You support whoever big government conservatives tell you to support, just as socialists support whoever big government liberals tell them to support. You actually believe that conservative vs liberal is the real dynamic in Amerika as each side edges us closer and closer to tyranny with more bailouts and bribes than history will ever be able to accurately document. You're too worried about other guys' dicks and a couple of joints to see the big picture.

You could argue that hard drugs are just too harmful and we, as a society, need to stand for our values in outlawing them. You could argue this is worth billions and even thousands of human lives. This is just an example of an argument you could make which I would completely respect.

But you're either too lazy or cowardly to even state a case. In weeks you haven't responded to a single argument I've made or position I've stated. In weeks you haven't provided justifications/explanations for your positions as I've questioned them. You repeatedly claim that you've been homeless, so you're an expert. You repeatedly claim that a multitude of obvious studies must be wrong -- though you give no explanation -- because you have a 2 year degree.

LOL

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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

A policy you would respect?


Hell I would invade Mexico and use the Southern border of Mexico as a stopping point, make a death sentence in the occupied lands for possession (thus no mules, no users, no makers, no growers, etc.) and I would end most of the drug problems then.


The current policies are a joke, you need to make dealers sweat at night, they need to panic at every small noise, and they need to be suspicious of everyone.

It can be done with 'thousands' and 'billions' as you call it. The problem has to start at people like you however. I for one think advocating legalization is enough for a month in jail under the premise it spreads like a fire... creating havoc by making it sound like it is an ok behavior.

Drugs destroy those using it and those they target to try to get their next fix. In Oregon bridges, statues, graves, fleet cars, and more are targeted for their metal by theives wanting their next fix. You and your actions in talking drugs as ok is seen by me as a CRIMINAL act.



Btw calling me big government is a joke. I would trim EPA to 1%-10% of current size, DOT to 5% or less, kill the Department of the Interior, Education Department, DOE, and sincerely look at the State Department, Commerce Department, and whoever is running the Forests for a major axe job to boot.

Also banning any 'Czars' would be pretty high on my list as well.


That's just starters on my wish list. Homeland Security seems ripe for some scalping to, plus others.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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"Homeland Security seems ripe for some scalping"

Please start with the Secret Service designated to protecting the president

*loads his sniper rifle*

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

Careful now... the SS is not bothered with going to China, checking your place out while you work, and then ambushing you in a hallway and dragging you to a van for questioning...

They don't need a warrant. They don't need probable cause. They don't need to read you rights.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

> Please start with the Secret Service designated to protecting the president

You'd rather we have Biden?

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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

You're advocating a police state with the death penalty for joints.

You're a lunatic.

"The problem has to start at people like you however."

And since you cannot control my thoughts, you concede that you cannot "solve" this "problem."

"I for one think advocating legalization is enough for a month in jail under the premise it spreads like a fire..."

Thank god for the 1st amendment protecting me from wannabe tyrants like you.

"Drugs destroy those using it and those they target to try to get their next fix. "

People have been drinking alcohol and smoking marijuana for thousands of years. The vast majority of people using these things neither are nor will ever be criminals.

"Btw calling me big government is a joke."

You want big government policing people's bedrooms. You want a big government controlling a police state to lock down even locals growing some marijuana plants. You want a big government waging wars across the globe. It's great that you want to trim some agencies closer to their constitutional limits, but you still support abuse of the constitution in many regards. You're a Republican, aren't you? You won't get far with the party if you don't shut up about their bribery. They're a corrupt big-government organization, and you're part of it. So you aren't the biggest government communist on the block. You're still a supporter of big government.

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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

Your thoughts you may keep, your advocacy is wrong.

Kill enough dealers and no one deals. Simple as that.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

You've been clear you have no interest in discussing, let alone debating, this topic.

If you request discourse in the future, please try harder. I've been rather bored.

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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

> Kill enough dealers and no one deals. Simple as that.

In theory perhaps, but what is "enough"?

No one will deny China is pretty good at killing people, yet they are still executing people for drug trafficking, including foreigners.

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ ☭ Fokker

Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

China has an addiction rate of what?

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

Dunno. Just that the execution of drug traffickers indicate existence of drug users.

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ ☭ Fokker

Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

Nevermind the fact that the only people who know aren't telling anybody.

Nevermind that Einstein thinks he can learn from CHINA lol

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63 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 30-Apr-2012 19:56:43)

Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

Must give props for your being able to post at an exact 10 minute interval, Kemp!  tongue

That means debate's won, right?

Make Eyes Great Again!

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Re: Kemp you Hippy wannabe! Lets fight!

Well I guess here's a paper on drug abuse in China.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15542747

*NOTE: This is an ABSTRACT. The rest of the paper likely requires a university IP or subscription.

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~ ☭ Fokker