Re: Native Issues

"You want to chop down our trees?  You pay us...  You pay us LOTS."

Discuss

2 (edited by xeno syndicated 28-Apr-2012 20:47:17)

Re: Native Issues

What, no discussion?  I would really like to discuss this, because I think it is a good position not only for native peoples of the world to take but all peoples, everywhere.

I mean consider if an advanced, space-faring alien civilization made contact with us and wanted to harvest oxygen from our atmosphere.  Would we not take a similar position as native peoples take / would like to take?

"You want to harvest our oxygen?  You pay us."

Moreover, if that alien civilization came here and by their contact had inadvertently killed off 90% of the human population by some sort of transmutable disease, set up shop in our solar system and on our planet, which resulted in humans becoming second-class citizens in their new social order, wouldn't we, after gaining the rights political power to do so, insist on them paying LOTS for our oxygen?

Re: Native Issues

Use bamboos. They grow faster.

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ ☭ Fokker

Re: Native Issues

They have been conquered. They can get over it.

Re: Native Issues

Well, I wasn't going to go here, but, just like many native peoples in many countries are treated as second class citizens in their own lands, and, effectually, have fewer rights and less economic opportunity than their "conquerors", aren't individual humans likewise second class citizens, with fewer rights than and less economic opportunity compared to corporations?

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"I mean consider if an advanced, space-faring alien civilization..."

And you had to ask why nobody cares to talk to you. lol

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Re: Native Issues

> V.Kemp wrote:

> "I mean consider if an advanced, space-faring alien civilization..."

And you had to ask why nobody cares to talk to you. lol

Kemp,

Do people care to talk to this Stephen Hawkings, who brings up the issue as follows:

"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans,"

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/stephen-hawking-alien-contact-risky/story?id=10478157#.T5zIzsWRqMc

Re: Native Issues

> If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans

How we treat natives probably aren't gonna affect how what these hypothetical aliens will treat us. After all, I'm sure there were nice natives.

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ ☭ Fokker

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This may come as a surprise to you, xeno syndicated, but Stephen Hawking (no "s") is 37 trillion times smarter than you. When he makes a point by referencing "what would someone not born into these conventions think..." it's absolutely nothing like when you attempt it. That he can use the method insightfully does not make your attempts legitimate or not laughable.

I didn't have to read that far to know you'd go on to make bizarre statements which are irrelevant to the use of such a device to make a point. "omfg what if alien diseases killed 90% of human beings and they culturally subverted human beings into a second class..." blah blah blah irrelevant to the point you were making. You didn't just make the point that we should revisit our initial conceptions on the matter, you rambled about aliens. Stephen Hawking never forgets his own point.

Additionally, your opening post lacks any specifics. Do you mean natives who own their land to this day? Obviously, it's their land, and nobody should be allowed to steal from them. Do you mean natives deposed from their lands and the broader topic of restitution from profits made on those lands today?

Well that's interesting. Where do you mean? Which countries? Which native peoples? How long back into the past? Would you like to additionally discuss current aid programs--we could or could not consider them part of this restitution--and their effectiveness (as a criticism on their form[s])?

My point being that your thread is pointless. You started a thread without a topic. Then you referenced aliens. What do you expect.

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Xeno you have been shunned. Only kemp is really responding anymore. I await the day when Kemp joines the group shunning you.

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