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> Arby3 wrote:

> Pointing to what we look for is going to make cheats cover their tracks easier.

The matter you speak of, I looked into. When 1 mod does investigation, and cannot find sufficient evidence, they get another. 2 eyes are better than 1, etc. Blocks require specific perameters to be met. If they are not reached, then it is not put into place.






Indeed apparently didn't think that threw very fast now did i LOL...

in addition, so the matter that i am speaking of, with the previous investigation and material brought forth by 2 other individuals was still insignificant? I clear yes or no will suffice, no long boring drawn out story needed smile

[13:43] <@RisingDown> never thought i'd say it, but TBO actually did something useful.
[13:43] <@arsy> dont let him see you say that
[13:43] <@RisingDown> oh shit
[13:43] * You were kicked from #room by arsy (kapow!)

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1) mod abuse discussion makes always an interesting thread, dont close it, it's fun

2) mods shouldnt be allowed to play in regular gals, they should be playing alone in test gals between themselves to test ideas from the ideas thread.

3) Hc4E was looking for a break to this game that's so stressing and mods finally gave him the break, thats caring for someones health isnt it? yikes

4) many people says Hc4e crossed the line with his attitude and I have a good idea for those who cross the line, send them to the dark room, a special galaxy and forum where only the trolls play, its like a 5th 'special', when I was young there was the normal classes for normal kids at school and then we had the 5th special where all the badasses were together like fierce animals and their main punishment was to stand and live with eachother.

5) a little harassment, bad words, porn, etc... would for sure give life back to this game! big_smile    come on, just realise we aint young anymore, we're like a satanic hypergalactic sect and no little innocent boys & girls stop around here anymore, IT IS an adult game! I want my PORN!! X(

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6) Killas is gay

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That last statement just made you more gay tongue

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If what i heard here is true, then indeed, the deletion immediately following the block is strange. Ive had this discussion before, and thought you always have 5 days to defend yourself before getting deleted. This turned out to be false, there is NO rule whatsoever on how long mods need to wait before deleting a blocked account from the game. That it always used to be approximately 5 days was more like a tradition, but its not set in stone in the least. Conclusion : we'll never know the exact reasons for the block, or why the deletion followed the block almost immediately, but there are NO rules that say the mods made a mistake.

That said, i've always wondered why H4E wasnt kicked out a LONG LONG time ago, and for very obvious reasons.

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the only justification im seeing for this action or the draconian way in rules are carried out in general is because it's "tradition."  that is not a justification for this method and there is nothing preventing the mods from changing how things are done except for their own intention to not relinquish the "because i said so" power.

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It is not rocket science or anything. Deletion was the only logical step TCO. Obviously this was no ordinary block. What was hc4e going to say in his defense: "No it wasn't me who has been behaving bad for years!! I blame Nolio". Let's be fair; this was not a block that was up for discussion. You can call that power tripping if you wish, but that's just being realistic. Block was decided on and his accounts were deleted because a blocked account only takes up space.

Elrohir
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Wow this is getting ridiculous.. now its csuse accounts take space? Thats absurd. Like someone mentioned alot of us grew up with this game and most of are working men and womrn who play this game to psss time relaxing with friends and talking some trash... but its getting to be a power abused cult like thing. This block.will have more consequences than u think.

Your logic has no sense. If he was such an ass then im pretty sure that didnt happen over the course of this round. Specially to make a block deletion during an ingame opping situation is ridiculous.. thetiming is what people r asking here.

There was a time even lizzy explained herself because she knew this was a community game and we make the game what it is. Ive played with hc and hes a team player. Sometimes hes rude and srrogant a complete asshole but that has been him for many years. Deleting him as he is hurting another fam with ops is rash and unjust.

Im also leaving after the round. No im not looking for any sad goodbyes and i wont be missed.. but ive played this game since 2000 and have made some good friends who will miss me plus u guys have my phone numbe:) i have nothing personal against the mods. They have been helpful and some r good friends. Things like this take the fun away. I can imagine hc frustration when mods do this kind of thing. If u were gonna ban him it shoild have been done long ago. I remember when opti cheated while modding and even for him was nit an instant ban.. it was a demod and thats all. Now that is a legit reason. Not cause u dont like someone and he had it coming? Maybe wait for eor and then ban also taking into consideration his fams wasted resources. Ive played with gen hes a good guy nothing personal with him either.

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I make perfect sense. The deletion is irrelevant, he would have been blocked for the rest of the round anyway.

What you try to say is that because he wasn't banned a long time ago he shouldn't be banned now? That's the poorest excuse ever. That's what we call the final straw. You can claim there is more to it, but there just isn't. If you can't accept that it isn't the case it is no one's problem but your own.

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CJIBclient wrote:

Maybe a way better idea. If a mod joins a galaxy take away his mod features for that galaxy!!! There are always different interests involved if you're playing.

We are 6 mods with different timezones, we have to cover 24/7/365.

For exemple next HC round 3 will play, 3 won't. If mod powers are disabled for the 3 playing, the 3 left would have to do all the mod work for this galaxy.
2 are europeans, 1 american. When the 2 europeans sleep the american would be alone modding. We are not paid, that means that we work, sleep, eat, have week ends, holidays, sex the good days... And if that happens when the 2 european sleep, noone could help players.
A players needing a mod urgently would not understand that one is in chat but can't help him.
Because even if this threads tries to nail us to the cross, 90% of the time we spend modding is to help players.



First of all, we are not a group of friends protecting ourselves and helping players we like and punishing some others.

When I entered the mod team I had 1 friend there, some I knew a bit, some I didnt know at all and some i think that didnt really like me.

I think that in our team noone cares about the mod tag or the power it gives, and I think that is our strenght. We help players that we like them or not. We punish players that we like them or not. We try to work with developpers to make the game better. We propose games where players can play with their friends without needing to buy a VIP, without fearing to random a multy or an inactive.
We have spent lot of time on that and hunting multies, that players left and new players have the more fun as possible.
We try to make 100% players happy, keep them interested and try to welcome new players.
I can swear that when I hear that when a player like MJ, worthy for the community wants to leave that makes me 1000 times more sad than having my popper opped...


Playing in a fam where you have mods is not the place to be if you want to cheat, for your information we perm blocked one of our player this round...

We didn't chose to make a mod fam. I've been drafted by another player after the round started waiting for the 7 days to join (when h4e was creating mutly account and immediatly asked us to delete him according to the rules, in order to create new account and join the fam he wanted immediatly...). Genesis randomned us, that made us laugh... we would kill him because he is mod??? You never wondered why cops work by 2 when alone they could cover twice more sectors?? they look after each other and if they are tempted to abuse their power they have another one reminding them the law...well that can be a bad exemple if u watch series, but in 99% of case that works...

I don't think the game should be modded the same with 300 players left that when there were 5000.
I would rather give a warning to a new player that broke a rule he didn't know, instead of blocking him, and ban a player that is always pushing the limits and doesnt care if he offends others, ruin their fun or make them leave the game...

Killas if I remember it well (I was away for few months at this period, but still reading forums), you were the one blocked for sending ingame links to delete infra to ppl following the link, and still arguing there was nothing against the rules...so ffs make low profile, some ppl may forget things, I can forgive things but I have good memory...

Seing the pressure you put on 6 mods with some background, you can imagine what it was on your fam members...reports we had were not the same that what they could tell you under pressure...

As player I would have same opinion as Teddy, as mod I will try to have h4e, the skilled player back in 1 month, helping the community as he describes himself and that's what would be the best, not making players have a bad time would be the least...

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You have the same opinion as a Player who made two illegal alliances and then attacked his own ally?  Says a lot about you there kollop.

If I had not opped your family with 3 mods in it, I would not be banned atm.  That is fact.

I was given these reasons by the mods for the ban.

1.  Opping a pop banker in a family with 3 mods.

2.  Attitude
Yet no one had an issue with my attitude to where they thought it deserved a ban on irc or a warning or forum ban on the forums for it.  So you can claim that I have a bad attitude but yet so do 50% of the players in the game.   Some of those have been warned and forum banned for that.  Yet I just skip past that? 

3.  Being attacked by my own ally two rounds ago.
My family made no ops, attacks, and when another alliance cancelled on ours together we still made plans with the main attacker of our allies family.  Instead someone else decided that cheating to save themselves and hurt us was the route they wanted so after we fought that 2 v 1 war alone, Our ally attacked us unprovoked.

4.  In October of 2010, My family had a war with someone and their attackers claim that the game wouldn't load for them and that was the reason they lost.  Mods are suddenly now accusing me 18 months later with no proof, no reason to believe I did it, and there being no way to even have done it.

5.  You talk about me getting myself blocked to make another account. 
Why don't you tell the truth about the situation, Kollop?  I was only playing in PW at the time and our attacker(Mizzle) went mia which allowed a whole family to then get knocked down to 16th rank and left for dead.  I was a partaxian, I asked two different mods about doing it to rejoin a dead family as an attacker before making the account but was told that I had to make the second account for them to go through with it.

The mods talk about wanting to see more competition in the game and when someone tries to do it to save an almost last ranked family they want to be jerks about it and use it as a scapegoat for their mod abuse?

You have now been infected with Bird flu. Good day.


~Testudinae~

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If that isn't just reaching for random accusations and warped ideas then there is no such thing as either. 

Just be honest and admit that the reason for the ban was unhappiness by 3 mods over their banker who btw is known for a much worse attitude than I am getting his pop killed.

You have now been infected with Bird flu. Good day.


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> Kollop wrote:

"First of all, we are not a group of friends"

Obviously you know Kollop is telling the truth here. No one likes the frenchies

"and some i think that didnt really like me."

See above about the french *spits*


I'm surprised he wasn't forum blocked as well. Pretty good chance he'd sound off in forums about the blocking/deleting and since it was already done in a decisive action i'd have just Forum blocked him till the next round.

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Actually I only posted because there was a thread =P

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i'm sorry to sound like a broken record here, but this whole thing has still raised some points that really really need addressing. i'm trying not to discuss H4e's case as mods obviously cant and have repeatedly said so but still discuss it anyways.
but i'm convinced now that its not going to be addressed at all, because instead of trying to sort this out some mods are still trying to convince us they are right. i dont really care if they are right and can prove it, the problem is still there and no-one seems to want to try and solve it. everyone just seems to want to prove who has the biggest and cleverest and most popular sock puppet
you all pretty much annoy me atm.

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MotherJedi wrote:

i'm sorry to sound like a broken record here, but this whole thing has still raised some points that really really need addressing. i'm trying not to discuss H4e's case as mods obviously cant and have repeatedly said so but still discuss it anyways.
but i'm convinced now that its not going to be addressed at all, because instead of trying to sort this out some mods are still trying to convince us they are right. i dont really care if they are right and can prove it, the problem is still there and no-one seems to want to try and solve it. everyone just seems to want to prove who has the biggest and cleverest and most popular sock puppet
you all pretty much annoy me atm.

MJ, that's why it's not allowed to talk about blocks in public.
Players can say whatever they want and mods can't respond because they have to keep it private...
Don't worry you can op a fam where we play, rape us to the bones, you will never get blocked and we will still like u in the chats...


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ok let's close this thread, if we want to talk about the block we still have private chat...
otherwise, h4e see u ingame in few days, and in mod discussions the later as possible...

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