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well I was banned several times when I started in the game, then later I learned how to have a real bad attitude and dont get banned, but if you really want to be banned all you have to do is spam this forums like a school wall with the worst words you can imagine, but that's childish
I would ask Serenity, honestly, he has more blocked accounts than active, so he's skilled at this subject, but sadly he aint around anymore
A bad attitude, in itself, is not an offense. It's when that attitude crosses over into your gameplay and treatment of others, that's when it becomes a problem.
it's tradition to block people with no explanation and be unable to even state one of the written rules they broke in the block message. the mod group has been and always will be a protective group only for friends who think the same and act high and almighty. they have changed the rules in order to make them able to block anyone for any arbitrary reason. anyone who challenges this arbitrary and capricious draconic rule enforcement in forum or chat will have their threads blocked for daring to question the rule enforcers or will be threatened with being blocked themselves. orbit tried to bring about change and this is why he was blocked and demodded. now they are claiming to bring about change but only to game play and not to how they carry out punishments. they have rejected ideas to make a more concrete rule list or more spelled out rules so people actually know what they did wrong before they are blocked and left with "because i said so" as the only explanation.
obviously if someone can be blocked for having "a bad attitude" or something so arbitrary a standard as that then the ic players have no rights. as killas correctly said, if anyone can be blocked for having an attitude which mods can arbitrarily claim is harassment then the player pool would be about 1/10 the size it is now at least. during global domination people don't often talk nicely to others and congratulate them for raping their family. the most common answer given for disallowing cursing and keeping this a kid rated game is that kids play this game too. if someone can bring me a list of 15 players under 18 that play actively and check forums and chat then maybe that would be a decent reason. however, that is not the case and there is nothing preventing the moderators from changing the mood to a game for adults which more fits the majority of the player field.
i for one will not be playing the game again until at least a more spelled out rule list is established and the barbaric rule enforcement system is changed dramatically.
viva la revolution!!!
i kinda think its in pretty bad taste for more than one mod be in the same family - they have the power to change that - and for those same mods to delete the account of someone who ops their banker. now i realise the reasons given obviously wouldn't say this but its kinda convenient
there should never be more than 1 mod in each family and the blocking rules should be adhered to otherwise it makes us all (those that aren't mods) a target for instant deletion. i dont really feel safe or comfortable in ic anymore tbh
"there is nothing preventing the moderators from changing the mood to a game for adults which more fits the majority of the player field."
if this is an adults' game then I want to see porn! X(
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Haha, this is classic, certain players should'nt be Mods at all imo, its just a Job for Mates, it will be swept under the carpet with some bull excuse anyway, Nek Minnit, thread closed lmao.
why close something that needs attention? other than that i'm starting to think you and others are right. if something looks a bit fishy chances are there's some substance to these concerns
If what u say is true killas then the mods should have a hearing and clear thus up. Block snd removed without letting u defend ur case is prettty shitty.
Rlly??? U got blocked removed cause u opped gens banker and sent some messages? Pretty harsh unless ur not telling the whole story. If u r then that sux!
We're not actually allowed to discuss it in here anyway lol, so I guess it will get closed soon. 
Not discussing it in a revealing manner. Its the question thread and people r giving there opinions
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Calm down people.
Although I agree that the approach used by the mods may not have been the best one (as in, deleting him right away), but we can all agree that Hardcore4Ever had this coming for a long time now. I am not a 100% sure what went on exactly, I heard different stories from the mods and from H4E, so I am not going to judge.
If you have a record of purposely ruining people's round, driving people away from the game and harrassing other players for years, you should not be surprised that at one point it won't be tollerated anymore.
Again, I'm not sure the mods took the right approach in instant deletion, but I suspect whatever he did was the straw that broke the camels back.
As for mods being a group of friends, well, I'm not sure friends is the right word, but they get along well. And this is logical. Modding is largely group work, you devide tasks, you discus situations and act accordingly. If you completely do not get along with another mod, this cuts into the cooperation, and kills the mod team.
I kind of agree with the two mods playing together rule, but there are three problems. First of all, what if one mod randoms in with another? Does he have to delete? What if he has no delete left? Second, what if someone gets modded mid-round? Does he have to delete from a family he's in, just because he's in a fam with a mod? And my biggest problem with this rule is: As stated before, the mods are a group of friends/get on well with eachother. Are you really going to disallow mods to play with people they get along with well? The mods do not get paid, they invest a lot of time in running this show, and then you go out and ruin the game for them? That doesn't seem fair either.
The reasons given by the mods were the following:
I opped a pop banker in a family with 3 mods in it.
I was attacked by my own ally two rounds ago unprovoked.
And also accused of doing something during a war in October of 2010 where the enemy's attackers were unable to log in supposedly and claim they were being hacked or some nonsense.
Also Primo as for your statements:
If you have a record of purposely ruining people's round:
What is this record then? I have played with nothing but honor and respect for a long time now. Unlike a number of the players in top families and including some mods I have never needed to cheat or be shady in how I run the round, I have always won while being respectful to my enemies. You can ask people who have played in a family while i have been active and you'll find 1 negative opinion to each 10-15 positive.
driving people away from the game and harassing other players for years:
Show me where I have harassed other players, Primo. I have made comments on irc to some just like many others have to me or other players as well. IRC, Forum, and Game have always been seperate entities and it's funny that if I do all of this "harassing" why do I rarely get a kick or a ban on irc(Maybe 1 every year or 2 which is a lot less than many) and why have I not received any kind of warning on the forums or forum bans which are the policy? Nothing I have done is any different than half the other people on irc, ingame, or forum.
Infact the exact opposite could be said, i've done more to keep people playing the game than anyone else out there. I've constantly made sure to run families with players that otherwise would not be drafted or have a chance to succeed in the game and probably end up leaving. In the days of Virgo, I even bought promising noobs vips to join up with myself, evilsheep, and others in another galaxy to help them learn more past virgo(One is still around) In the last few years, I have drafted players who are known to be unwanted and with bad reputations for their ability to play like Nolio, Arganon, Artic, and others and helped show them the way to being successful in top families and alliances.
As much as the mods want to make claims of my behavior, they have never done their part to try to ask me to change that behavior or express that it is an issue.
I have no issue with the 30 day ban as long as the mods just be honest and admit that the real reason that they did it was because 3 of them had their banker's pop killed by me with the funding from my family and not as a rogue as you guys claim. A 1 planet partaxian does not make enough to build 1.7 mil wizards on his own and can easily be killed off if they are really a rogue.
The moral of this whole thing is really that you can attack your allies, break naps, make IAs, or do anything you want as long as you don't do it against a family full of mods
It still needs to be addressed Primo. The circumstances in this case were too coincidental to be right.
And as for mods landing in the same family with no more deletes....well like i said they have the power to change that. Mods have benefits being playing 'bosses' for want of another word, but they must also accept that there will be things that aren't so great. In real life our leaders aren't allowed to have conflicting interests between their public job and their private one for obvious reasons. The same should be had for ic and the leaders/mods should not have a vote or opinion with anything concerning their own family, therefore more than one mod in a family would not provide a fair vote.
You also mentioned that someone having a long record of indiscretions shouldn't be surprised at any consequences of their actions. That would be true except that in the past H4e has also been 'punished' a few times for this. Therefore any indiscretions before this punishment should then be exonerated. You cannot serve 30 years in prison for murder and then be retried for the same crime after you get out.
Sure it is not an easy job being a mod but they all go into it knowing full well what it means. But it is also their individual responsibility to conduct themselves to the absolute letter of the ic 'law' and in this particular case i feel it has not been achieved
Gah, lost my post, stupid netbook.
As I said, I don't know the exact reasons of your ban, and to be frank, I don't care.
If you keep tickling a lion, it will bite. Is the lion right for biting you? No. Is it understandable? Hell yes.
I'm not going to search for forum posts where you purposely insult/harass/pester people, there are plenty and I think you know it.
And, I do believe you got warned for it on multiple occasions. I'm pretty damn sure I did it personally.
there should be an impeachment process for mods. majority vote etc. new mods should also be elected by the people by popular vote rather than chosen by other mods who will only choose others who will follow blindly
And MJ
There is a rule that mods do not mod cases which affect themselves, unless it is an emergency. I do not know if, and if so, why this was neglected. That rule is there to avoid conflicting interests.
As for the retrial thing. No, you can't be punished for something you've been punished before. But punishment of the new thing can be more severe because of previous punishment (three strike system in the US for example).
And pengy, this is not a democracy, learn to live with it 
if the bs insulting "harassment" rule breaking grounds are the reason then ban everyone who posts in the politics thread
the politics forum has a disclaimer about that.
also, that's up for the mods to decide, not you and me.
So wait Primo, You have now already stated that they did not follow two mod policies in where they deleted accounts instantly and mods making the call on things that directly affected them.
Also Primo, if I did something on the forum then why was a forum ban never issued? Forums and IRC have always been seperate from ingame punishment. Suddenly after 12 years that is being disregarded?
That sounds like 3 things right there already.
Incorrect, forum and ingame are very much tied together.
And yes, as I stated in this thread, the mods did a very messy job on this in my opinion. Does not per se mean it was unjust.
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