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Topic: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

By Robert M. Goldberg

June 5, 2008

Ironically enough, the dangers of the lib eral health-care agenda are
being made clear by the care that a liberal icon, Sen. Ted Kennedy,
has received since his brain seizure last month.

One day after an MRI detected a tumor, Kennedy was quickly diagnosed
with a malignant glioma - a rare and often-fatal form of brain cancer.
Less than two weeks later, his tumor was being removed by one of the
world's experts in brain cancer at Duke Univeristy Medical Center.
He'll follow up with chemo and radiation therapy tailored to the
genetic makeup of his cancer to keep the cancer from spreading.

He'll likely take Avastin, a drug that in experiments with brain
cancer has extended survival by months. A new cancer vaccine being
developed in partnership with Pfizer could extend his life by six
years.

Of course, with his wealth and power, Kennedy would get good treatment
anywhere. But the same care is available to every American.

Not so - if we make the health "reforms" called for by Kennedy and
other liberals.

Filmmaker Michael Moore gives their standard line when he says: "There
are problems in all health-care systems, but at least Europeans and
Canadians have a health-care system that covers everyone."

Problem is, governments that promise to "cover everyone" always wind
up cutting corners simply to save money. People with Kennedy's
condition are dying or dead as a result.

Consider Jennifer Bell of Norwich, England. In 2006, the 22-year-old
complained of headaches for months - but Britain's National Health
Service made her wait a year to see a neurologist.

Then she had to wait more than three months before should could get
what the NHS decided was only a "relatively urgent" MRI scan. Three
days before the MRI appointment, she died.

Consider, too, the chemo drug Kennedy is receiving: Temodar, the first
oral medicine for brain tumors in 25 years.

Temodar has been widely used in this country since the FDA approved it
in 2000. But a British health-care rationing agency, the National
Institute for Comparative Effectiveness, ruled that, while the drug
helps people live longer, it wasn't worth the money - and denied
coverage for it.

Barack Obama - and other Democrats - have been pushing a Senate bill
to set up a similar US "review board" for Medicare and any future
government health-care plan.

After denying this treatment completely for seven years, the NICE (did
whoever named it intend the irony?) relented - partly. Even today,
only a handful of Brits with brain tumors can get Temodar.

And if you want to pay for Temodar out of your own pocket, the British
system forces you to pay for all of your cancer care - about $30,000 a
month.

Things are no different in Canada, where the wait for an MRI (once you
finally get a referral) has grown to 10 weeks. For Canadians relying
on their government health care, the average wait time from diagnosis
of cancer to surgery is beyond the guideline set by both the US and
European societies for surgical oncology.

And HealthCanada, the government system, similar refuses to pay for
treatments that are often covered in America.

Chad Curley, a 37-year-old auto worker from Windsor, Ontario, had a
brain tumor like Kennedy's but can't have surgery because his is too
large to be operable.

His tumor didn't respond to Temodar and the same doctors now treating
Sen. Kennedy told him and his wife that the Avastin combination could
stop his tumor from growing and add months to his life. But
HealthCanada wouldn't pay to use Avastin to treat his tumor.

Chad's family and friends scraped together the $5,000 for the first
round of treatment in mid-November; they later saw Chad's left-side
paralysis start to subside. But the money ran out - and he died on
Feb. 21.

In pushing for government-run health care, liberals are pushing for a
system where only the Ted Kennedys of the world can get cutting-edge -
and life-saving - care.

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Re: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

Of course, with his wealth and power, Kennedy would get good treatment
anywhere. But the same care is available to every American.

Not so - if we make the health "reforms" called for by Kennedy and
other liberals.




Wow...after those lines it's clear the article is bullshit. Well...it was bullshit after the first sentence, but these two solidified it. The author of the article obviously has no clue how the American medical system works, let alone how foreign ones work.

It's precisely because he's wealthy that treatment is available to him in America. If he were a homeless bum, he'd likely be on his way out. tongue

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Re: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

No, homeless bums can go request experimental therapy.

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

And serve as guinea pigs for the somewhat more fortunate?

Come to Belgium, we've got a fairer system. tongue

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Re: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

anyone in the United States can get excellent health care.  I come from a relatively poor family.  We weren't homeless but we had debt coming out of our ears.  we had no disposable money. 

when my younger brother was ten got into a fight with our youngest brother and accidentally broke his collar bone.  of course we took him to the emergency room and he was examined and the bone was treated.  it wasn't a serious injury but the examination and treatment was very expensive for our low income.  We couldn't afford it.  We talked to the hospital about it and there answer was simple.  "Don't worry pay what you can and we will help you with the rest".  There are a number of programs and charities that help the less fortunate with this same problem.  Anyone in the United States can get health care no matter what there financial situation is.

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Re: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

No way, the homeless bum would get the surgery as well.

Maybe not just from the surgeon at Duke Medical.


In Canada, the Bum  would get the surgery as well.  That same bum would just have to wait in line.......until his number came up..... It might take a while, and for sure he is not getting the Duke Medical Surgeon.

See how it works ??

In Canada, the Bum may just die waiting, there for the Govt. saves the money.
In the US, the Bum may die on the operating table, or he may survive.  At least they tried in a timely fashion.
But Kennedy will always be at Duke Medical.

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Re: How can we goto bad healthcare Mr. Kennedy?

Goldberg seems to have overlooked the European private hospitals that are available for whomever has the money to pay for them.

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