some liberal needs to challenge this thread so it can get interesting X(

I like Obamacare

There is no part to dislike...

I like Obama...

*develops a man crush*

YOU LIE

100% will have to change insurance to meet the minimum required unisex plan that hasn't been handed down yet

women have to buy prostate coverage and men have to have prenatal care

it's not a bug it's a feature!

This is so dumb anyone who wants to "debate" it deserves to be smacked with a wet salmon. Maybe even a frozen one if they insist.

There's no constitutional basis for this power grab. The vague passages referred to for justification, taken to the extremes used to rationalize this law, could justify literally anything. Needless to say, the US Constitution exists to limit government power. It does not expressly permit the government unlimited power to do anything it deems necessary or proper.

I'm a little disappointed that I have so many trashy, valueless, downright stupid countrymen that this was ever considered, let alone passed into law. There's literally no limit to the freedom that tens of millions of Americans are willing to give up for government promises of "free" stuff. If lawmakers promised everyone mansions and Cadillacs, I'd wager half the country would vote for them, too stupid to understand that there just aren't enough mansions and Cadillacs for that to be remotely physically possible.

As a wiser man than you (and me!) once said:
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." (Benjamin Franklin)

there are posotive things to the health care reform, otherwise there would be uproar from every single citizen, making health care to people with pre existing conditions is great and has benefits fom long term such as documentaion and a greater understanding of conditions and diseases. some health care cost increases are due to projected costs, and fear mongering, which obviously works. i am in an odd situation where i cannot work full time and with a beat up car, and a long drive to campus i cannot afford health care, but being under 26 i can still be on my fathers health care plan, which is much better than i could afford any time soon. i cannot agree with forcing people to have health coverage, or taxing people who can normally afford good health care. as with any trade, a tax tends to be much worse for business and costs than helping the smaller or local business.

i would like to argue more but i have to say ive never had time to read the 300 page mind f*** they called healthcare reform. i cannot agree with the tactics or the approach. anything with that many changes cannot be full of only good and effective intent.

sorry i knew it was long, didnt know an actual length. and it doesnt surprise me that 60% of the voted public is too greedy to want to help the unfortunate. and i already stated i am against the mandate. so i guess this was a poor fight

it wouldnt dirrectly contribute to any advancements that i can think of, or obviously be cost effective, but with people not getting treated, they are not being documented, therefor there is less information for advancements to be based off of. bout the best i can do for that

You want to help others?

Then kill the bill.

Then you make a 4 part law like this:

Pre-existing condition coverage must always be offered.
Insurance can be sold accross State lines.
Individuals and Company's can purchase insurance with the same tax benefits and subsidies.
HSA's never expire
A minimum insurance should be developed with no extras such as birth control, liposuction, cosmetic surgery, and anything that does not significantly keep a person alive

That would have been significantly better. And if you truly want to be a socialist pig you could have added

The Federal Government will pay for costs, to a level, for the lowest 5% in income in the US, and half costs for the lowest 10%.

Game set match