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Heck that's insane for wages as a waiter...

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what gen tongue?

Wornstrum said bananas...

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"Heck that's insane for wages as a waiter..."

Yes, but like I said, the cost of living is insane. Buying anything in Perth is insane, a house in the "bad suburbs" is still $300k+, and anything half decent is $500k+...groceries are insane, although when I lived to a town south of Perth, I was buying beef not by weight, but by units of "cow" ("I will take half a cow thanks"...was awesome that the abetiour was very close, and we had a chest freezer).

I am getting the feeling that things in the US are cheaper than Australia to be honest (talking to Arby3 and a few others), and yet, $50k in Australia is adequate and still allows some room for some luxuries. So why is $50k really not good enough?

Also, whilst also working and studying, I was also getting $10k a year from the government for studying big_smile (when I kept my hours low, so I didn't break the threshold). I should also look at the level of tax, because after a certain amount of earnings, people are taxed almost HALF of their income (48c for every dollar after X amount), but also the benefits do make it a nice place to live (Sorry, I am really homesick in the last week or so...REALLY homesick).

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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USA (mind you this is truck stop costs, which are armed robbery for most Americans)

1 bannana = $1
1 Buffet plus drink $16-$18
1 Monster energy drink $2.38 for one, or $4 for two (bought a bunch at WinCo for $1.38 each).
1 Galllon of Diesel $4.10 right now
Fast food Hamburger = $2
Restraunt burger = $10
Bag of trail mix $2.50 (small bag)

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Problem in the states is: junk food, soda drinks and everything containing shittons of conservatives and sugar is dirt cheap.
Healthy food on the other hand, is not.
And I doubt full time waiters would make anything close to what you made, Wornstrum. I find it quite hard to believe myself that you were making 25 dollars a hour.

Then again, the American waitress won't be hungry or whatever, she'll be overweight in no time and obese before she even notices... if the malnutrition doesn't get her hospitalized first.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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What they call healthy food is overpriced packaged food that says "All Natural." Sure, organic blueberry juice etc is expensive, but you fail if you buy that.

Healthy food isn't that expensive, depending on what you buy. Vegetables are relatively cheap, lol.

57 (edited by RisingDown 14-Mar-2012 19:50:48)

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I'm not talking biological or all natural or any of that bogus, I'm talking vegetables (to some extend), fresh fish (although other sea foods, such as crustaceans, are dirt cheap when compared to prices here, but not everyone likes the idea of eating crustaceans) and, especially, fruit.
It is expensive enough as compared to packaged, conserved foods to the point where the people who do not make a lot of money will not buy it.

Plus there's a whole attitude issue towards vegetables and fruits that causes a lot of people to skip out on them.
The low minimum wages are not the sole reason for people not eating healthily.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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> RisingDown wrote:

> (although other sea foods, such as crustaceans, are dirt cheap when compared to prices here, but not everyone likes the idea of eating crustaceans)



I love shellfish!  Where do you live that it's cheaper than other fish?  yikes

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59 (edited by The Yell 14-Mar-2012 21:16:29)

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>>Perth is a city where you get nothing special...seriously, it was almost impossible for me to find decent coconuts...<<

I got your coconuts right here

http://www.florida-coconuts.com/

>>I love shellfish!  Where do you live that it's cheaper than other fish? <<

probably right next to the mercury storage tanks

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But seriously, RD's right on this issue.

Remember, in the United States, corn, wheat, sugar, and other grain and meat foods are subsidized at the production level.  Those subsidies don't extend to all foods, though, so fruits and vegetables, being unsubsidized, look like they cost more when in reality they are just beneficiaries of trade distorting policies... the cost should be higher, but the added cost is distributed inside the federal government budget.

Europe doesn't have this particular issue.  The European Union definitely has subsidies on its agriculture, without a doubt.  However, European agricultural subsidies are primarily in the form of export subsidies (i.e., the companies only get paid if the items they're paid for are sold to non-Europeans).  So, actually, overall food prices in Europe should be higher than even an unsubsidized market (because a European buyer would need to pay the price, plus the cost of the foreign subsidy, in order to make it worth the seller choosing to sell the item domestically, rather than abroad).

But I'm probably getting on a tangent that I want to save for a real trade thread, so I'll stop here.  tongue

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Also remember Australia has limited landmass for growing, and a more fixed climate range than the United States or Europe.

Ergo as the United States grows oranges, wheat, sugar, potatoes, grapes, apples, and corn... Australia may not be suited to growing that variety.

Additionally where Europe can access a wide spectrum as well.


The United States also has access to cold water and warm water fish and other water based yummies. Additionally we have large varieties of grazing lands... though I hear the Aussies get to eat kangaroo which is not exactly on a menu here....

Oz being an oversized Island also must transport via sea ALL commodities it does not produce. This means Pears can get delayed by a ship full of metal... their wastage levels must be much higher than the United States.

The lack of roads in the center is alarming as well. Roads are an efficient way to increase what can be brought over a distance, just two highways would significantly drop prices I am sure.

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