Genesis, if you're referring to what's being discussed here, don't call names just because you don't agree. As Zarf said, this is a GOF thread on whether throwing the election is sound.

I didn't say helathcare should be free, what I said was it should be available to all. As in affordable. Right now, there are millions of people who simply can't afford it, in your country and everywhere else. That's a bad thing.

Of course I can't ask you to pay my healthcare plan, but I can ask the government to create the conditions under which the health system becomes accessible to all. The taxes you pay or don't pay are a totally different matter; the IRS is responsible for that area and if someone does not pay then the access to government provided services should be off limits to those who fail with their obligations.
However, you can't simply cut off the government from the average citizen day to day basis, as that leaves no accountability. If free healthcare doesn't work, individual lives in a global system don't work either. Obvisouly it can't be "give all", but it cant be "take all" either.

You're entitled to pursue happiness, but in a capitalist state where money is the law, if you remove people the means to pursue that happiness (aka having no money) the system contradicts itself.

Genesis and Gladiator: this thread isn't about the merits of health care.  What you're doing right now is spam.

> Genesis wrote:

> It's about dumping the elections, lol... Have fun, thee poor of heart.

Exactly.  Stick to the topic, or make a new thread on health care.  Stop screwing with this thread.

Liberals often argue that there are human rights (referring to positive freedoms) that the state should guarantee. They include health care, social security, and education. As for me, I wholly disagree. On what basis do these rights come from? How do we discover what these rights are? How do we know which rights we have and do not have? If you ask me, it's all pretentious. The fact is is that what we "ought to have" is wholly pointless theory to pursue. We should concern ourselves with the way things are, how we want them to be, and identify the means to accomplish them.

My point is, get "rights" and "ought" out of your vocabulary. There is no empirical basis for believing in them.

I do not see any reason why the poor should be lifted. They wholly merit their lot in life due to stupidity. By pursuing costly decisions like drugs and teen pregnancy, they have guaranteed their lot in life. It's not because they are disadvantaged that they are poor, they are poor because of the decisions they have made. They have nothing to blame but themselves. My view is that we let them die or adapt. In the former we have saved the state from providing for a parasite, in the latter we have produced a great man or woman. When the state assumes a paternalistic role, stupid decisions perpetuate through the generations.

Let Health Care have minimum cost and optimal efficiency. Make it a wholly free-market system, even if it excludes the bottom 5%.