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Topic: Smaller fams - preventing farming

There is alot of talk bout farming and alot of smaller families are complaining. But I think the big problem is the way that smaller families play. Ive made an experiment in PW ever since I got there, and the motto is: Be aggressive!

You think its impossible to defend vs bigger fams, cause of their eco etc? Its not, actually not at all!
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-First of all, do you start clearing bigger families from the begining or later in the round?

Start clearing bigger fams right away! And you do that for alot of reasons, the earlier in the round you skirmish with a big fam the more you cut the losses. Lets say you clear the nr 1 fam, and they decide to raid you. IF they succeed, you retake those and you keep clearing them. So you lost lets say 60 planets with infra, that was 100% OB. Its a huge blow, BUT since your a small fam anyways and will stay that way, it wont matter. And if you let them stay in your cores because you are under their range, there will always be a time when you get in range, and when you are...they will take 200 planets in one go and force you to pay another 50-100. And you ll have to pay up cause they are portalled all over your cores. SO clear big fams as early as possible!
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-Second of all, big fams like having big fleets cause they like gaining alot of planets. You cant compete with their fleets, so there is something else you can use: OPs

If you have a pax, thats your best weapon. Because no matter how small of a fam you are, you can ALWAYS get more wizzies than the enemy attackers and op their portals. Small fams have to start using paxes alot more!
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So what you really need is: 1 attacker and 1 pax. The attacker takes the cpffed(create portal force field) planets AND retakes all the lost planets. The pax should not only be cpffing portals of attackers, he should also try opping the bankers.

So whats the goal here? You want the top fam to feel that its not profitable to keep warring your fam. And move on without forcing you to pay planets. The only way thats possible is if you are persistent and keep clearing them and opping them.

We won 2 wars in PW vs bigger families, 1 top 5 top and one fam with at least double our eco. And the way we did that, was with ops. me and another pax opped their bankers for 5 days straight plus cpffed them. Its frustrating and extremley annoying for the enemy attackers. Ill uppdate this soon.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

reason small fams get raped is becuz small fams = less organisation = less activity and people not caring.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

There is always 2-3 pretty active ppl who does care. I mean, im talking bout ppl complaining bout farming and thats the ppl who does care. If the few active ppl get some decent income going, they can pull off pretty offensive moves towards other bigger fams. Im just trying to motivate smaller families to actually do some resistance and NOT pay planets for a NAP when there is alot more hope than it looks like.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

I think there needs to be a distinction between small fams that start off small at BoR and fams that are farmed to nothing and thus meet the criteria for small.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

uhm! Put a Render in your life! big_smile

its known as the badass annoyer of big & fashioned fams

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

It's easy to not get farmed now because of rogue tag.

Previously you had the excuse the player was small and they snuck in your core . Or you had to stay small to make sure no one snuck in. Letting big players close in.

Now all you need is one big player to make core. Have the spread you want and don't get aggressive. Keep players out and build infra.


BUT!!


Not everyone wants to play like that there are unbalances because people take risks. When people gamble one will lose one will win. Those wins will make others take risks to grow. The way your talking teddy your saying everyone can finish the same size and nw but we know that is impossible

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

if lil fams cause big fams damage they tend to back off cause they dont want someone slowing down their round yikes

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> EvilRunt the Hated wrote:

> if lil fams cause big fams damage they tend to back off cause they dont want someone slowing down their round yikes

that's the point, if small fams show agressive enuf the big fam will have to re-evaluate the outcome of the war, who has more to lose??

obviously an opped banker loses much more a tic when he's big, same for nukes, 15% of CFs destroyed in a top banker we're talking about more than 15k CFs for sure, and sometimes that's more than waht the big fam can destroy with raids.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

It has to be a dynamic offense.

The thing about small families is you gonna get owned, unless you mess up the big family quickly and nasty like.

Op portals, op population... enemy makes more wizzies.

Op portals, nuke... enemy makes more agents

Retakes and destroy all infra on purpose

Let them take some planets in a portalled system. Wait for infils to show portals up. Jump fig runner. Run them down. (Not the big fams fig runner, just all else)



When you drop them 8 ranks, they know they messed with the wrong small family. They will beg for peace. Aka nap with original planets and move on.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

yes KTiger I gave you one of those pNAPs smile but dont think you're getting those naps because any concrete reason, its just people dont care, at a certain stage of the round if you have a fam so small like yours it will never become a threat nor a target, I even give NAPs to those fams without asking.
Yes you can get some tranqility to grow ur infra and then fight other small fams a nd have some fun, but you always have a limit bcause you're in peace with most of the fams, so your fam will always be small.

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Re: Smaller fams - preventing farming

I usually make orders to immeadiately farm the person asking, then offer a nap... when I used to play.

Ask for a pnap? Ha! Silly small family there is a price to pay for that!

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> Einstein wrote:

> I usually make orders to immeadiately farm the person asking, then offer a nap... when I used to play.

Ask for a pnap? Ha! Silly small family there is a price to pay for that!


many often you need your small HC attacker to take those comp planets because the family is too small, then you have a not so small HC attacker stuck with those planets because any infra player would blow em up, and you need to do a chain to carry those planets up to the infra players.  This efforts arent worth, your HC attacker bonuses are kinda screwed when you have to go to war, he should be smaller for morale issues, or he should have better construction bonus to make a proper jump and waht? you gained 25 useless planets and lost a real advantage.

In other cases the small fam aint even attackable because they're out of fam range, waht you gonna do? ask them to op you?? they can and might inform mods as you request them an illegal move hmm

So yeah, in summary, pNAP for free is the best solution.

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