1 (edited by Einstein 04-Mar-2012 00:33:09)

Topic: Global Warming / Climate Change

GLOBAL WARMING IS FALSE

In fact it was so one sided once people started looking at evidence the profiteers started calling it Climate Change.

Now I have studied the issue at length. I know all the claims, many of the major players, and I have determined it is all false. I have had this view point from 2003 I believe. Now I use www.surfacestations.org www.surfacestations.org as a primary evidence site. This http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050 compilation site is tl;dr for 99.9% of the worlds population, but if you want access to a sorted list of evidences then read on! When I feel like mocking I use www.wattsupwiththat.com www.wattsupwiththat.com. Let me make this clear, I have no degree, no accreditation, no published papers on the topic. This is evidence laymen can find, and for the most part understand.

I am opinionated. After studying the evidence I cannot sit idly by. Some players I save my largest scorn for are CRU, the EPA, and NOAA . These organizations need 100% of their funding removed, their 'champions' banned from ANY Government funds forever, and need prison terms unless they can pay back the damages they have caused. That's just my opinion. But please do read on.

Now what the AGW crowd says is warming is happening, carbon dioxide levels are rising, ergo correlation equal causation. Climate Change re-branders try several claims but the 'strongest' in my view is that the variability is due to heating of the oceans, changes in the currents (air and wind), all due to carbon dioxide (and a little bit to some other specific gases).

To which some laymen will tell you temperatures have flat-lined while carbon dioxide levels have increased. They are only partially correct. The truth is temperatures have dropped but the AGW and CC crowds are trying to hide that. A good tool to them is using models for area's not covered by monitoring equipment. This practice is only increasing, via the http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/10/historical-station-distribution/ removal of stations. There is the problem of local reporting stations that are not part of their 'network' but they make a variety of reasons for why they do not use that data.

Problems have arisen for the AGW crowd, such as evidence the oceans are not following models at all, that the upper atmosphere is colder than it is supposed to be, that the lower atmosphere is colder than it is supposed to be (source for all three here is NASA). Things are always being debunked that they try to bring up. Their models always have to much heat.

Then there is the issue of Modeling their works. They cannot get a http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-12/w-nsi121107.php single model to work.

I will say... one model actually works, but it debunks AGW and CC.

That model is http://www.farmersalmanac.com/on-the-money/ Farmers Almanac.

Now before CERN did their science experiment I was following a scientist who claimed Cosmic Radiation was the largest outside influence after the sun, and that water molecules was the only real issue in the atmosphere. CERN http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2006/PR14.06E.html reinforced he was correct with a large experiment that mimicked the Earth's atmosphere.

In short here is an explanation of the real influences on the Earth temperatures.

The Sun (and Jupiter to an extent) has a magnetic field which repulses Cosmic Radiation. This field varies in strength according the the 'currents' in the Sun. This field as said stops some Cosmic Radiation, but not all, and the amount varies as per a variance in the amount coming from without and with the variability of the Sun's magnetic field.

Now when Cosmic Radiation hits the atmosphere it binds water molecules into http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2333133.stm cloud formations (they are not the only component, but they are the primary component). Now if water vapor remains as water vapor it absorbs heat (much more so than Carbon Dioxide ever can claim) and keeps it in the atmosphere. If it forms clouds then it redirects sunlight (and heat) back out into space.

Then we have history to use against AGW and CC arguments.

Historically there has been wide, stress WIDE, variations in the temperature of the Earth. There have been periods where grapes where grown in http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/07/medieval-warmth-and-english-wine/ England, and times when Ice Ages covered the Earth. The dinosaurs might testify to that fact, if we can just subpena one.

In fact there is proof that the Carbon Dioxide claims they have done is wildly wrong http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm including ice cores. If Ice Cores are removed from the equation, then Carbon Dioxide levels are pretty much http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/01/50-years-of-co2-time-for-a-vision-test/ stationary.

As well as those two facts there is proof temperature and carbon dioxide were not correlated (sometimes same time, sometimes not) together in the historic past. Some scientists point to the Maunder Minimum, and try to use this to identify causation as well. Of course there is some conspiracy theory... for instance a variation of Planet X has it that a giant dust storm is headed our way and this will put Earth through an ice age... but meh.

History helps me claims further. In fact strongly so. Go to a library and you will find that Greenland is not melting away. Honestly! Read it http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/grnlndice.htm here for instance. Or one could just dig up some old junk like http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2007/04/01/letter-editor-greenland-ice-gain-world-war-ii this! Or if you prefer there is a nice home http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/12/30/the-ice-in-greenland-is-growing/ here.

So where did this hysteria, this lie start?

I did my best to try to discern when this all started. This is the result of my studies.

It started when Earth First, Elf, Alf, and similar groups won by falsifying evidence in Oregon. They put dead Spotted Owls in Old Growth tree's as an effort to protect Old Growth from logging. They succeeded in this because there was not many who could, or would, map out the living habitat of an animal. In truth the Spotted Owl lives in Christmas Tree sized growth, and by limiting logging and replanting... ironically... we are limiting the living habitat (by fighting forest fires) of the Spotted Owl. (I can attest to this via knowing the history of the Spotted Owl)

Flush with success in using a lie, they continued using lies to try to get their agenda. Their next target was glaciers (insofar as I know of). They claimed a number of glaciers were shrinking. Some of there claims were dismissed as evidence at the time showed no such thing was happening. The claims gave a variety of reasons, the strongest being acid rain. Well strongest at the time.

Of course science has caught up, and seems http://news.discovery.com/earth/himalayas-glaciers-shrink.html few glaciers are shrinking, that a new one may be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crater_Glacier forming in Washington, and that a lot of http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/nbc-twists-facts-again-about-glacier-park lying has happened. But I digress...

Then there was the  http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2007/09/ozone-the-hole-truth "Ozone Hole" which started Climate Science in earnest. They started recording all sorts of things at a new hyper scale.

One result of this was a sudden tracking of http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2003/02/01/reports-more-icebergs-are-misleading ice bergs as they formed, and not just when they were in danger of entering shipping lanes. This information, and others lead to a dubious claim...

THE EARTH IS WARMING!

Using the new data sets they had gathered, and where no data existed http://climateaudit.org/2008/01/24/hansen-1988-details-of-forcing-projections/ 'forcing' results from other data, and of course mixing in all their http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219947/gore-lies/nro-staff lies in one melting pot resulted in AGW.

During these events more and more Universities were starting climate science programs and the worries got them funding. This http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13329 funding got higher and higher. To validate their jobs they MUST say that bad things are happening. After all if they sound an 'all clear' then most of their jobs go away. AGW almost started at the right time. There was a minor stretch of warmer years where each year in a row was warmer. But the amount was very much so within natural variance. This however did not stop them.

They set out to http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/desperate-warming-alarmists-create-fake-documents-to-discredit-opponents/question-2476175/ discredit any opposers from the start, which is a Saul Alinsky model... attack the person and you destroy their efforts. They also set up to coordinate, at a deep level, from the start. This gave them the time to get politicians and news reporters on board. This lie had to be pushed, pushed hard, and any issues glossed, or painted, over. By now legitimate scientists were noticing the money involved and tried to do research as well. But they found the errors were to much, and when they talked to a core person, they got attacked.

This started the resistance.

Out came the http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jun/26/20060626-094411-2965r/ hockey stick, out came Al Gore's http://www.heartland.org/full/22357/Gore_Film_Is_Partisan_Riddled_with_Errors_UK_Court_Rules.html fictional movie, out came other clearly dubious claims. With this the resistance grew. I joined the resistance sometime in 2003.

At first the resistance was fragmented, our voices unheard, with no leadership. Then some of the more financially stable and/or smarter ones set up clearinghouses for information.
This is when the resistance started winning.


    The first blow was real evidence that they were wrong.
    A showing of models that all failed.
    It was a landslide that some tried to ignore.


The enemy of our enemy then http://wattsupwiththat.com/climategate/ published emails from CRU (Twice no less!) and other facts started leaking from the Great Wall of Environmentalism. The end is near for AGW, and CC.

If you read this and you do not believe their religion, then you are now part of the resistance!







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Edit: Cleaned up typos, added a LOT of links to it, worked on sentence structure, and posted elsewhere and this is a copy (relatively, removed all the HTML code) of the post.

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Re: Global Warming / Climate Change

1.  The "scientific" theory of AGW is toast, because of the lack of GW.  The hypothesis of man-made climate change remains in limbo til somebody figures out a theory of energy transfer with ANY observational data behind it. "I believe in the Yeti--disprove it isn't out there somewhere"

2.  The POLITICAL crisis has already been exploded -- we are NOT headed for humanitarian crisis by 2035. So, take however long you like on the math.  I don't care and our economy doesn't need radical change to head it off.

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I only gave this a quick read, and will try and post more in regards to the science later, but:

"Out came the hockey stick, out came Al Gore's fictional movie, out came other clearly dubious claims. With this the resistance grew. I joined the resistance sometime in 2003.

At first the resistance was fragmented, our voices unheard, with no leadership. Then some of the more financially stable and/or smarter ones set up clearinghouses for information.

This is when the resistance started winning.

The first blow was real evidence that they were wrong.

A showing of models that all failed."

You turned this political once again tongue If we are talking the science of it, don't be bringing in "resistances" and such. Furthermore, you talk about the science that is coming out recently to disprove it, and yet you say you didn't believe it before (which taking this from a point of view of credibility, it still sounds like it was unbased opinion and then joining a political movement). I will however look into these points you brought up (would have been awesome to get more links to the information, but I am sure I can google/search on some databases for it)...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

Re: Global Warming / Climate Change

Links he says?

Muwahahahahahhhahaahahahahahahahahahahah

Teeheeheeeheeeheeeheeeheee

Roflmaobbq

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!



http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050

When your done with my evidence I will help you enter the home for the old and infirm tongue

Or if that is truly tl;dr then try this link

http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=48498


Oh and that first link... I have read 75% directly from it, and 25% from my own efforts. I read 1500 wpm. Have fun!

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Oh damn he has added much more since 4 months ago sad

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Einstein wrote:

I read 1500 wpm

That explains why you never really understand much of anything tongue keep it up!

Re: Global Warming / Climate Change

> Einstein wrote:

> Links he says?

Muwahahahahahhhahaahahahahahahahahahahah

Teeheeheeeheeeheeeheeeheee

Roflmaobbq

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!


You find me asking for your sources to be so humerous? You gave a very broad summary of points made by others but do not give any way for others to find this information. I am then forced to look for this information, and if you are trying to convince anyone, then leaving the research up to them will inevitably lead them to find supporting information for their own point of view/opinion, so in fact it would be working in your favour to be presenting your sources. How this is funny eludes me.


"When your done with my evidence I will help you enter the home for the old and infirm tongue"

O...k... I fail to see how my age or my ability to function without help has any bearing on anyone's opinions or points of view. I would think one that finds a request for supporting information to any opinion/point-of-view to be as comical as you obviously found it, would have more important things to think about than my capability to manage my own bodily functions...



"Oh and that first link... I have read 75% directly from it, and 25% from my own efforts. I read 1500 wpm. Have fun!"

You read at 25 words a second? In the below reference, please notice the lower comprehension rate, and considering the topic and since you are trying to dispute claims by others, it is very important to comprehend what you are reading. I would think someone who is running for office would have a greater understanding in the way they convey themselves, which this post by you has not done your opinion any justice. I thank you for the links, and I will give them a look tomorrow, but we are here to discuss the facts, and is not a contest as to who can...act the craziest? (I really didn't want to get down the way of discreditting the person sad)

"The World Championship Speed Reading Competition stresses reading comprehension as critical, and that the top contestants typically read around 1,000 to 2,000 words per minute with approximately 50% comprehension or above, the world champion is Anne Jones with 4,700 words per minute with 67% comprehension."
(Not the best source, but meh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_reading).

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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It is humor... not attacks sad

I was teasing cause the one site has hundreds of links to mostly full sized articles.

I get about a 90% comprehension at 1500 wpm. I cannot imagine 4700 wpm and still have a 67% comprehension.

And as a math nerd I lack some of the social graces of others tongue

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A blanket around the Earth


A layer of greenhouse gases

Re: Global Warming / Climate Change

IPCC was refudiated long ago.

Check the big website I posted.

Or when I stop I can show it myself.

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Oh lawd he we go again.

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html

The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."

Even though the temperature standstill probably has no effect on the long-term warming trend, it does raise doubts about the predictive value of climate models, and it is also a political issue. For months, climate change skeptics have been gloating over the findings on their Internet forums. This has prompted many a climatologist to treat the temperature data in public with a sense of shame, thereby damaging their own credibility.

"It cannot be denied that this is one of the hottest issues in the scientific community," says Jochem Marotzke, director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg. "We don't really know why this stagnation is taking place at this point."

Just a few weeks ago, Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research added more fuel to the fire with its latest calculations of global average temperatures. According to the Hadley figures, the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Ni

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"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." - Kevin Trenberth, Lead Author IPCC (2001, 2007)


BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?

Phil Jones: Yes, [excuses removed]


http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html


Climate Modeling Errors:
Clouds - Convection - Cosmic Rays - Eastern Boundary Regions of the Oceans - El Nino - Evaporation - Macroturbulence - Mountain Range Circulation - Multi-Decadal Variability - Near-Surface Temperatures at Night - Precipitation - Regional Climate Change - Seasonal Variability - Spatial Variations in Geothermal Heat - Stratosphere Climate Change - Transfer of Solar Radiation in the Atmosphere - Tropical Troposphere Temperatures - Upper Tropospheric Humidity


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051206085941.htm


http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834


2005 http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003400/a003498/NP_seaIce_max_2005.9289_web.png
2008  http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003400/a003498/NP_seaIce_max_2008.18073_web.png



http://www.john-daly.com/NP1987.jpg



Ice cap is melting! Oh wait this is 1827!   http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/20/historic-variation-in-arctic-ice/



http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/nvst.html - something funny here




http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/SvensmarkTrop-CosmicRay.jpg oh noes, cosmic rays, we all gonna end up like the Fantastic Four!


I could do more, but Genesis only copy pasted.

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Wornstrum I await your views here.

I am fired up, bored, and wanting a discussion somewhwere!

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Yes, I haven't forgotten about you, but unless you want some "here are links that support it" kind of post (which ultimately gets us both nowhere) I actually need/want time to write my response tongue (Also, I am not only reading your post, I am looking at your references [and will endeavour to actually read ALL of them])...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Flint, you will never be taken seriously until:

The "sources" you use are themselves trustworthy sources rather than junk articles from dogmatic websites nobody has ever heard of, or worse, the Daily Mail. Try looking at and interpreting peer reviewed scientific papers from good quality journals.

Your interpretation of evidence is unbiased and logical

Your basic understanding of scientific concepts or phenomena improves

You stop making up crap - grapes grown in Greenland? The enormous ice sheet covering Greenland over 100,000 years old (JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 102, NO. C12, PP. 26,411-26,423, 1997), are you really trying to claim it was once as warm as Bordeux? The conclusion is that if grapes were once grown in Greenland then the growing of grapes is a terrible indication of temperature.

You stop paraphrasing, or selectively quoting e.g. "BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming? Phil Jones: Yes, [excuses removed]"

I'm not here to argue with you because it is a pointless, tedious exercise, but I hope that one day you will improve your reasoning and evidence appraisal.

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17 (edited by Einstein 02-Mar-2012 13:59:34)

Re: Global Warming / Climate Change

Actually you want peer reviewed?

I doubt it because you summary dismiss any evidence.

But here is peer review for you

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html


Let's battle specifics however, please do try.

Btw both the first two urls, www.wattsupwiththis.com and www.surfacestations.com have submitted peer review papers and the latter is based on the studies he has done.


But continue to act so haughty, oh do, because your so good at dismissing others without looking at their evidence!

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18 (edited by Einstein 02-Mar-2012 13:58:51)

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Btw that is me slapping you down with a mere 900+ peer reviewed studies compiled by an acknowledged source.

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I can, and will, use 100% peer reviewed studies against you. I call you out as a ignorant puss of flesh, not worthy of being my equal.

You always have ignored evidence, you will always ignore evidence, you always have been arrogant, you always shall be arrogant, and I call you out on all of it!

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20 (edited by [TI] Sitting Duck 02-Mar-2012 16:12:10)

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Having a long list of titles does not constitute any kind of sensible literature review. You have to read, analyse and draw conclusions. This includes being critical of the content of the article. I absolutely do not believe that you have read and critiqued those 900 papers, especially as they are all on very different subjects, none of which you have any specialism in.

You will also not be taken at all seriously until you stop being so abhorrently personally aggressive. Have I really been "slapped down"? And if I had, would that be a good thing or something that reflected well on you? Am I really an ignorant puss of flesh? And am I really not worthy of being your equal because I questioned the validity of your sources and the objectivity and rigour of your evidence review?

I don't ignore evidence, but I do make criticism of it to determine its worth. The point I am making here is that your critical analysis of evidence is poor, you select "evidence" based on the conclusion and not on its foundation and logic. Your own conclusions are therefore not well founded and are in fact irrelevant.

What exactly does calling me out mean Flint? Sounds like a meaningless bit of bravado to me. You can fling meaningless insults around all you like Flint, sometimes it just seems that the lady doth protest too much.

btw, here are my sources:
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=lots+of+things+neither+i+nor+anyone+else+have+ever+read&pbx=1&oq=lots+of+things+neither+i+nor+anyone+else+have+ever+read&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=16493l17443l0l17627l8l8l0l0l0l1l142l653l6.2l8l0&gs_l=serp.3...16493l17443l0l17627l8l8l0l0l0l1l142l653l6j2l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=32df18f9e384e5f5&biw=1280&bih=933

That's 153,000,000 sources I read in 0.20 seconds

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I have read probably 20%, give or take. As well as researched other aspects. What am I to do with my time if not read?

So you run away behind a cloud of falsehood and misrepresentation.

I threw down a gauntlet. I say again coward, name an item of global warming you wish to defend.

Glaciers? Icepack? Temperatures? Come now... there is so many topics to choose rrom! And you get to pick! Come coward, engage me and prove me wrong if you can.

But I have science behind me, I have more academic papers to choose drom, more proof of errors, fraud, and lies on your side to choose from than I could care to post. You have no chance, and you know it in your heart.


Run away little girl (quote from WoW, has meaning for WoW players)

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Flint there's no point in debating a topic with you seriously, because you are not interested in the argument or willing to reach a middle ground, you have your mind made up to defend your position whatever it takes. That's a sign of insecurity and authoritarianism. But then again you are a right-winged right-winger.

Please refrain from personal attacks or demeaning adjectives of the likes of your above post.

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Genesis you quoted IPCC with a copy paste.

Yet 100% of IPCC REPORTS HAVE BEEN REFUTED!

Ok so maybe people did not argue with grammar, or punctuation, but the entire argument is BUNK!

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I haven't actually taken a side, so I don't see how I can possibly be represented by errors, fraud or lies by any other persons.

Your over-aggression is neither endearing or constructive, as this forum's foremost whinger when it comes to personal attacks, I suggest you tone it down a bit.

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

Re: Global Warming / Climate Change

Ok, I am going to step in here and tell everyone to calm down a bit...Flint, he attacks your methods (and yes, he does make a point about the quality of your sources...when I was looking at your sources, I was hoping to look at your sources sources...because that is also very important)...any conversation/debate doesn't need insults like cowards and such flying around, it is inflammatory and detracts from the heart of the conversation (and if you have to rely on trying to belittle your opponent then you fail in making your argument)...


Also, I used to be a rather invested WoW player for far too much of my life, and "Run away little girl" means nothing to me...it sounds like some obscure quote to be honest...(and as for time invested, one of my characters [one of about 20] had game play of over 150 days straight...I played days straight, didn't shower, no hygeine, and my room looked HORRIBLE)

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~