1 (edited by Arby3 26-Feb-2012 23:07:57)

Topic: American Trucking

American trucking would qualify as a threatened species if we were an animal.

In the next few years this group, which is currently short drivers as it stands, will lose more than 10% not through attrition, but through regulations and subsidized competition.

It is pretty bad when under NAFTA it will be cheaper to move cargo as far as 90 miles North of the Mexican border to Mexico first, and then drive it as far as 600 miles in.

It is sad that it could become Mexico that ships a lot of our goods as well, since it would be cheaper by 30% to have goods hauled 600 miles to a Mexican port than 600 miles to an American port.

The plight of American trucking may be the only thing to unite the Teamsters Union with Republicans. So severe is the damage that my estimate is NAFTA may ultimately cost America 500,000 jobs. Tied with the damages happening due to new Department of Transportation rules and a minimum of 10% of American trucking jobs will be lost.

It would be bad enough if this was the only assault going on right now... but it is not. New rules on emissions have increased the cost of a new truck as high as 125%, cities and counties strapped for cash are pulling trucks over more often due to the higher ticket payouts trucks generate, new regulations make for less pay, new requirements make independent drivers face impossible to continue being independent, and so forth.

We are under a full assault, and we are losing.

Truckers are aware of what is happening, but the general public is mostly unaware. Talks of boycotts keep climbing from drivers... wether denying certain cities goods or with a rolling roadblock effort... the talk is getting grimmer in truck stops.

However those efforts would fail, ultimately because the affected cities would get goods anyways, the roadblocking trucks would get hefty tickets they could ill afford to pay.

Our only two hopes are for the public to hear us, or for politicians to hear us.

If you, reading this today, emailed this to ten others, you can do you part to save 600,000 jobs. Bring awareness, bring stability, bring back common sense! Thank you for your time.



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2 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 26-Feb-2012 23:23:22)

Re: American Trucking

> Einstein wrote:



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Pretty sure thats against forum rules Einstein...to ask for contribution money via the game forum.

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Re: American Trucking

Well it is an issue orientated thing, does not according to law benefit me (I can only spend it on campaign related stuff).

I will let the mods decide. They can remove that paragraph if it is an issue (since only those in the know actually know where to go to donate).

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4 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 27-Feb-2012 11:47:31)

Re: American Trucking

Isn't this just your laissez-faire free marketeconomy working? You always opposed government intervention in the economy, and now you complain that it doesn't do anything for you? Or am I missing something here?

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Re: American Trucking

He clearly wrote that goverment policies are costing truckers a lot of money.

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6 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 27-Feb-2012 11:56:26)

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Yes, but I think he meant the Mexican government for subsidizing, I assume the Mexicans pay the emission fees as well..

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I think this points to the US's it's Federal and local goverment;

"New rules on emissions have increased the cost of a new truck as high as 125%, cities and counties strapped for cash are pulling trucks over more often due to the higher ticket payouts trucks generate, new regulations make for less pay, new requirements make independent drivers face impossible to continue being independent, and so forth."

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Re: American Trucking

It is a whole list of complaints of abuse at the Federal, State, and local level, as well as loopholes for Mexican drivers coming in on treaty terms.

American drivers are forced to pay full price for fuel in Mexico, Mexican drivers get subsidized fuel by their government.

Since Mexico represents a huge amount of oil imported to the United States they can refine and ship it in cheaper than we can now.

Mexican trucks are almost entirely older models with 'rebuilt engines' with modifications. US companies would not be allowed to do this.

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So, basicly, you want your government to deal with economic globalisation (foreign competitors having unfair advantages)? That's very unlike the laissez-faire economy you defended before. Yes, the Mexicans do the same job for less money. If their government wants to subsidize their transportsector, that's their job. In the laissez-faire economy, that's just the fittest competitor winning. That's pretty much the same as GM a few years back. But you opposed governmental support then, no?

I agree with you though. Your transport sector needs to be backed up by your government.

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Government subsidies of a competitor is no part of the laissez-faire economy.  Once you have government subsidies of a competitor, the competition is skewed.  We need to get out of the WTO to freeze those firms out of the American market.  Not even their governments can rescue them from that.  In fact, we might even topple a few governments.

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Indeed it isn't The Yell. That whole system is rotten to the core..

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> Wild Flower Soul wrote:

> So, basicly, you want your government to deal with economic globalisation (foreign competitors having unfair advantages)? That's very unlike the laissez-faire economy you defended before. Yes, the Mexicans do the same job for less money. If their government wants to subsidize their transportsector, that's their job. In the laissez-faire economy, that's just the fittest competitor winning. That's pretty much the same as GM a few years back. But you opposed governmental support then, no?

I agree with you though. Your transport sector needs to be backed up by your government.


You have it the other way around. Domestic truckers have an unfair disadvantage. How's that laissez-faire?

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