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10 percent? I'm having trouble finding that amount in the document you posted.
All I see is that;
"there were 1 000 cases where a doctor had deliberately ended the life of a patient without a clear and explicit request from the patient. This represented 0.8 per cent of all deaths."
Using 20 year old reports is like using unconfirmed sources. It might be right, but it might not be right at all. It is not about assuming that things are changed, but stating that things could very well be changed. Point being is that you should get recent data if you are making some kind of statement and that is key point.
Here's a link to a position paper from last year by KNMG
KNMG
The KNMG physicians
hmm can I really say that about a whole country?
Yes.
What about Oregon, which has legal physician assisted suicide?
Them too.
What about Einstein, is he murderous?
Hmmm. Gonna hafta go with "yes!"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands-rick-santorums-bogus-statistics/2012/02/21/gIQAJaRbSR_blog.html
Written by a Dutchman who put his own relative through the chutes.
(And isn't that extremely odd, given how RARE it is.)
BTW
"The Remmelink Report found that 0.8 percent of the deaths at the time were done without the explicit request of the patient; in 59 percent of the cases, the physician had some information about the patient
Is stopping lifesupport, when someone is not leading anything resembling a life anylonger, murder?
Or is it, as your quote states, "shortening" once life.
But yes, we practice euthanasia in our clinics. We did it 20 years ago, we still do it today (although with a shitton of regulations). You'll have to bet those physicians who shortened the lifes of patients without their explicit request had to get through a bureaucratic maze before they could even release a patient from his suffering. Do note that an explicit request in this case means to have a documented request, recorded in presence of a certain official (i.e. solicitor). If the patient just says "I'd like to end my life", that does not constitute as an explicite request.
Still, the numbers Mr Santorum used were either outdated or falsified, as you yourself found a much smaller number.
Other points he notes as facts, such as elderly wearing bracelets saying "do not euthanize me" (there are however bracelets that say "do not reanimate me"), elderly evading dutch hospitals, those are all blatant lies.
http://knmg.artsennet.nl/Publicaties/KNMGpublicatie/Position-paper-The-role-of-the-physician-in-the-voluntary-termination-of-life-2011.htm
Forgot the link above.
"It kind of got buried in the /r/politics thread, but this group seems to be where Santorum is getting his numbers from. He's not actually making things up, he's just quoting others who are making things up.
>The Remmelink Report
But since as of last year your doctors are worried that you aren't killing enough elderly, the moral guilt of the Dutch seems established.
"To find out what doctors would do if faced with those difficult situations, Medscape surveyed [US] physicians' attitudes about some of the most frequent and wrenching ethical issues of our time. Over 10,000 physicians responded to the survey, which asked about end-of-life dilemmas; pain treatment; insurance reimbursement; colleague relations; withholding information from a patient with a terminal disease; patient privacy at the expense of other people; romantic relationships with patients; and others. The survey was fielded in August - September 2010.
3. Should physician-assisted suicide be allowed in some cases?
Yes, 45.8%
No, 40.7%
It depends, 13.5%
... Medscape's Ethics Survey email was sent on 8/18/10 to 151,000 US-based Medscape physicians spanning more than 25 specialties.
The invitation to participate included a sweepstakes to win an iPad.
The promotion period ran from August 18 to September 15, 2010.
The number of respondents was 10,078."
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731485
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i didn't think we'd sink so low
the moral guilt of america is established
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As if i care what some Redneck says about my country, not even worth to discuss these accusations.
"A controversial system of mobile euthanasia units that will travel around the country to respond to the wishes of sick people who wish to end their lives has been launched in the Netherlands.
The scheme, which started on Thursday , will send teams of specially trained doctors and nurses to the homes of people whose own doctors have refused to carry out patients' requests to end their lives.
The launch of the so-called Levenseinde, or "Life End", house-call units
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