Topic: Dutch slaying the elder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yn-eejMcmuA

According to rightwing Santorum...

Any republicans still voting for the type of person who spread fear in order to gain dominant power?

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2 (edited by BiefstukFriet 20-Feb-2012 18:06:46)

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What are the odds. yikes

I was first !

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sad awww

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Nope.  Check the timestamp.  Iluvatar beat you by 15 seconds.  tongue

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Lol I was debating posting this a few days ago.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

6 (edited by BiefstukFriet 20-Feb-2012 22:16:45)

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Damnit! sad

Wait wat, geenstijl?:O

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ah thats how i stumbled on to the video

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2012/02/bejaarden_preventief_ruimensan.html#comments

kinda famous blog in holland

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I know! I just thought  that 'I' was on Geenstijl. Not an enviable position to be in. wink

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from the video comments

"I hate Rick Santorum, but he's not that far off here. In 1991 the&#65279; Dutch government released the Remmelink Report, the first, official government study of the practice of euthanasia in the Netherlands. And it found that Dutch physicians deliberately and intentionally ended the lives of 11,840 people by lethal overdoses or injections

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and as of 1990 not only did they do a very large amount of euthanasia, they didn't bother asking the patient for permission since they knew when it was appropriate not the patient, and the patient either agreed with their correct diagnoses or just interfered by wanting to live

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And how long ago is 1990? I'll let you know that nowadays the legislature around euthanasia is so complicated that even people who want to have it done, cannot have it done. People living like animals or vegetables with no positive outlook at all because someon in their family does not want to let go.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

12 (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 21-Feb-2012 10:58:59)

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like anyone really gives a [lady a good piece of his mind] about the dutch

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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You cared enough to post. smile

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i actually didnt even watch the youtube video haha.  but really if the facts that chris are saying are real then where is the outrage coming from?  a lot of religions dont believe in euthansia and hes allowed to express his opinion. posts like this just prove that liberals and conservatives  in this game cant have civil and intellectual debates because each side is too quick to call the other side a communist, a rapist, a racist etc.  There is no respect for other's religion or beliefs. if you are too emotional then you lose all credibility in my opinion.

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

15 (edited by BiefstukFriet 21-Feb-2012 09:33:18)

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But they're not real. Unless I missed the memo about us getting teleported back to the 90's. And how can one debate such an issue with a religious person? Religious dogma is not open to discussion.

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ok i finally watched the video.  there is no date relation.  the video is also the most edited piece of crap ive ever seen. those skips are not natural and the voice is not naturally flowing. it was pieced together by the poster

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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when your own govt says 10% of your national deaths were caused by doctors injecting poison, most of the time without consent, I don't see how you get pissed that an American read the report

you can explain how that's no longer the case, instead of whining we paid attention to the facts of life over there

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18 (edited by RisingDown 21-Feb-2012 18:41:46)

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It is no longer the case. I have had to study the legislature of medicine, I have seen real life examples of where a voluntary euthanasia is being blocked by a family member being against it, either because they're overreacting emotionally and do not wish to let go of their memories (even when they do not have the courage to confront them, scared to see what has happened to their beloved one (and justly so), or because they're trying to mooch of their parent's pension a bit longer. Real life examples include people who have said in the past that if they'd be in that exact situation that they are in now, they'd like to be euthanised; however, sadly, in most of these situations the person in question has either had a complete personality change, if any personality is left at all, or is proclaimed irresponsible. Forced euthanasia would be a good thing in those situations, or at least a change in the legislature.

Rick Santorum is talking about our present day situation I presume, as there is no relevance to talk about a situation of 20 years ago in the present tense when things have changed in the meantime. (unless you're trying to falsify information)
Although if what pengy says is true, I'd like to see the original interview (if anyone has a link).


Of course, you could say I'm biassed as this is concerning my future working environment, but I like to think I have quite the unbiassed view regarding medicine (including my not-so-in-agreement-with-psychiatry views that some of you may be aware of tongue).

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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seriously? old people fleeing from Dutch hospitals? rly?

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"Rick Santorum is talking about our present day situation I presume, as there is no relevance to talk about a situation of 20 years ago in the present tense when things have changed in the meantime. (unless you're trying to falsify information)"

then go ahead and announce you changed it as baldly as you  informed us of how bad it was, before you guys get miffed that we read your own govts reports

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google his speech about satan attacking america
he is leading the polls
lol

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I am not sure what point you are trying to make there Chris.

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You have it assbackwards, The Yell. You provide us with a 20 year old report and then task us to sift through goverment databases in order to find a more contemporary one, something you could've done right from the start.

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Nope.  Your first reactions to this news was that Rick Santorum was making the whole thing up to scaremonger the weak.

When it was pointed out to you, that your own government said that's what your doctors were up to, and Rick Santorum got his figures from your government, THEN you insist that he has no right to use a 20-year-old report since OF COURSE things are different...

There's no OF COURSE about it.  Iran is still run the way it was in 1980.  If you've made changes go ahead and show us.  And we're not just arguing about tax rates, or inflation.  We're talking about a fat chunk of your medical profession, causing 10% of fatalities in your kingdom, most of the time without the consent of the victim.  And your prosecutors looking the other way whenever it was shown, after the fact, that the patient COULD HAVE lawfully asked for it and received it, so, the fact they never did was just some technical violation.

I'd have said OF COURSE you'd never sink that low, but since you DID, you forfeit a presumption that you would never ever ever really do that.

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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LAPD isn't like it was before the 1991 riots.

Trust us.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.