Topic: Vulture's what is it?

since there is so much smack talk about vulturing I figured I wud give my thots on what it is and what it means and when it is being done in IC and when its NOT being done.

1st the definition -
Vultures are scavenging birds, feeding mostly on the carcasses of dead animals.
Vultures seldom attack healthy animals, but may kill the wounded or sick.

so in IC terms it wud mean to attack planets that have been killed or wounded by "another family" during a declared war.

simply put vulturing in IC is imo limited to fams that are in a declared war having planets that they have won from another fam or even retaken (wounded planet) from a fam that they are in war with.

These planets are usually easy prey since they prob have not had time to build any defenses capable of defending the planet and they also if taken by other fam hurt the morale of a fam in a declared war. This is not an illegal thing in IC but it is accepted by the community as not being right and I agree with that.

Now, the exceptions to this are as follows.

1 - if the fams in declared war thru attacking get into systems of other potential enemies that they dont have nap or that they couldnt have gotten into b4 the war then those planets are open to attack as any good fam would not allow a declared war to be the means of gaining shares that wasnt able to be done b4 the war.

2 - same as above for planets in systems that are clearly putting the fam in the declared war in a MUCH better position against another fam or in systems that are surrounded by another fam that controlls those systems. Such as if fam 756 controlls 10 systems that circle another 5 systems then dont expect 756 or anyone esle to allow you to get in those 5 systems when u wudnt have been able to without the war declaration. That wud be stupid to think a fam wud allow that.

3 - also imo if a fam in a declared war decides to explore and try and sneak into another fams systems then that fam has a right to not only take those planets but if they want to they can feel like they are being targeted and start attacking that family in the declared war as punishment for trying sneaky things. IMO anyway.

4 - lastly but maybe not all - if the fam in the war decides to attack another fam in systems they own and control then ofc they have opened themselves up to attack to maybe move them a little further back from the systems being attacked.

Now there ma be more exceptions but these are the major ones imo

feel free to add ur thots and disagree with me but the above is how I WS define vulturing and thats the way I WS will play this game.

also just because a fam is in a declared war doesnt mean the rest of the fams in the galaxy has to sit around and twiddle our thumbs, we have every right to explore or attack other fams to gain position on the warring fams for later in the round, its up to the warring fams to keep watch even if they are in declared war and if they dont and other fams get better postition then its their fault for not being deligent.

If I think of more I will post it later; If I left out or forgot something I hope to be corrected.

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

not again... we have got this so

playing the game as a game used to be played. keep it real

Re: Vulture's what is it?

vulturing is basically if i'm fam B and i'm at war with Fam A, then if someone from Fam C attacks me. Fam C is therefore a vulture.

However, ICers usually put alot of stipulations for this. For instance, if Fam A and C had a conflict and it was unresolved before Fam A went to war with Fam B (even if Fam B declares). This i would say is fair game, the orginal conflict hadn't been finished yet.

So that's basically how i see it

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4 (edited by Arganon 10-Jun-2008 05:44:41)

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WS:
what if you are at war and several fams disregard that war and the 2 fams that fights it by means of grabbing and clearing during said war.

If the 2 fams then in return thoesnt respect the other fams wars.

Are they vultures then ? smile:):)

Re: Vulture's what is it?

i will need sum help understanding that arganon

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

yea i'm completely confuggled by your response Arg

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

"Vultures are scavenging birds, feeding mostly on the carcasses of dead animals.
Vultures seldom attack healthy animals, but may kill the wounded or sick."

tha dead/healthy animals are the players not the planets. its not just attacking planets with no defences. going and killing people's portals during their war with sum1else is also vulturing becos those players are weakened.

I was using a metaphor that means God is watching us. You've heard this, there's a toilet on the roof.

Re: Vulture's what is it?

i agree arch with the one exception i listed above

wat one wud tht be?

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

WS stop it. you know very well what you did. you didnt have any shares before your war started, and 60's bankers havnt explored since the war started. you went straight into their systems, portalled, and cleared them out.

I was using a metaphor that means God is watching us. You've heard this, there's a toilet on the roof.

Re: Vulture's what is it?

prove it arch

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

i just did. you attacked 60's bankers with portalled shares. you didnt have any portalled shares before, they didnt explore AT ALL so they cant possibly have gone into your systems. which leaves only one way for the two of you to end up shared in the same system, and that is you exploring in their core

I was using a metaphor that means God is watching us. You've heard this, there's a toilet on the roof.

Re: Vulture's what is it?

hmmm they cudnt have gotten the planets from 48 in payment for the nap could they?

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

48 didn't pay for their nap. We just napped them when we finished. I know it seems odd in todays world that a family that was clearly winning wouldn't rape them down and then force them to pay for a NAP.

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14 (edited by WhiteShadow 10-Jun-2008 15:13:58)

Re: Vulture's what is it?

not odd we have done it all round this round with only 1 exception

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15 (edited by Arganon 11-Jun-2008 12:42:08)

Re: Vulture's what is it?

I must say I find this rather amusing ! smile
The vutlures complain that there is vultures in the game ? smile

This thread is proof off a lack of  humour or a lack of inteligence or perhaps off both ! smile

Re: Vulture's what is it?

arganon you qualify on the "both" part

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

and he isnt complaining of vultures u idiot...lol he is arguing the he isnt vulture so why dont you grow a brain eh?

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no WS I dont.
I have understood that whining about vultures are useless.
I respect the wars of fams who respect MY wars.
Thoes who dont I choose to ignore when it comes to THEIR wars.

AInt that only what are supposed to happen ?

What comes around goes around mate ? smile

Re: Vulture's what is it?

no idea why this was brought up, but i agree with it for the most part ^_^

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

because arch and gondor needed to know what it was with the hopes they wudnt accuse falsely people of doing it.

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21 (edited by Arganon 11-Jun-2008 22:25:22)

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NO WS Im not both part.
And for a vulture to even mention the word is very amusing mind you ! smile

Plz read my previous post SLOWLY mybe you will understand it THIS time as you seam to have missunderstood it last time you tried ! tongue

BTw just so you know I got an iq of 140 where 100 is Index.
I think ill manage when it comes to IQ.

Re: Vulture's what is it?

well obviously having an IQ only means that you have the ability to understand things...not that you actually do.

and for the record Arganon stop making silly hints of threats when you have been hitting my bankers tons of times for the past days now and managed to maybe take like 4 or 5 rofl....those being undefended obviously and easily retaken.

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23 (edited by WhiteShadow 11-Jun-2008 23:54:39)

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poor arganon

tried massive attacks on bankers of ours and failed all but 4 or 5 newly explored

lmfao smile

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Re: Vulture's what is it?

Gee, my thots:

If you take any planet  (even just one)  from any fam at war (declared and posted) you are a vulture except for the following:

1) prior systems in conflict. Just being in a war ( that you declared, or were declared on) is not something you can hide behind. If you are fighting/skirmishing fam a, and fam b declares on you, then fam a can keep on, but only in those particular systems. Fam a cannNOT expand it to other systems.

2) core clears. You are allowed, and should be required to keep your cores clear of all intruders, who are at war or not.

3) retakes, if they take from you, for whatever reason, you are entitled to do the retakes.

4) If you truly dont know they are in a declared and posted war. Sounds stupid, but it does happen. ( I've done it before, been off for a while, with fleets hovering or outgoing, and come on and trigger em before I read forums and uni.) The honorouble player gives em back, the less honorable player keeps em, and the vulture keeps on.


Finally to address Argonon's question, If a fam vultures you in a war, it does not give you free rein to do it to them later. If you are vultured, as much as you want revenge, the same rules hold, and atking them in a war (other than the above exceptions) means you are a vulture as well. I know it is frustrating to be vultured, and to want revenge, but it is still wrong to return the favour, and lower yourself to their level.

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Ripper:
Fam nr plz ? tongue