Re: The Riddler's House of Riddles

10

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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Humitidy +1

Answer:

Ten. Every cell that is a perfect square will remain open
(1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81, and 100).  If a number is not
a perfect square, then it has an even number of divisors,
therefore it will be "toggled" an even number of times and
end up where it started (closed).  Perfect squares have an odd
number of divisors, so they will end up the opposite of where
they started (open).

Solis - #7872

Re: The Riddler's House of Riddles

You have twelve coins, eleven identical and one different. You do not know whether the "odd" coin is lighter or heavier than the others. Someone gives you a balance and three chances to use it. The question is: How can you make just three weighings on the balance and find out not only which coin is the "odd" coin, but also whether it's heavier or lighter?

Solis - #7872

379 (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 18-Feb-2012 22:02:12)

Re: The Riddler's House of Riddles

Weigh 3 coins on each side...take those coins off and weigh the remaining set of 3 coins (so 6 coins in total, 3 on each side).

From here, you will know which set of 3 coins contain the "odd coin" because it will either be heavier on one side or lighter on one side of the above weighings.

EDIT: Ok, I will clarify this part a bit more...if the first 3 v 3 weighing is equal, you take off only 1 side and weigh another 3, if it is different, you will know if it is lighter or heavier...you then weigh the lighter/heavier side as per below...

From there, weigh only 2 of the coins, if they balence, then the unweighed coin is the odd coin, if not, you will know which side has the odd coin...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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Get the scale.

Put the odd coin on one side, and one of the identical coins on the other. See how it balances, whether lighter or heavy in comparison. Voila. Done in 1 weighing.

Modestus Experitus

Arby: A very strict mod, reminds me of a fat redneck who drives a truck around all day with a beer in one hand. I hated this guy at the start, however, I played a round in PW with him where he went as an anonymous player. Our fam got smashed up and everyone pretty much left. Arby stayed around and helped out the remaining family. At the end of the round he revealed himself.... My views on him have changed since. Your a good guy.....

Re: The Riddler's House of Riddles

weigh 5 and 5, if the scale is equal your 1 odd is the correct
if the 1 odd is in the mix of 5 weight 3 and 3 and if the odd is in the set of 3 weight 1 and 1 coin with 1 remanding, if the 2 on the scale = same the odd is in your hand if the scale shows a differance the odd coin in winner.

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[13:43] <@arsy> dont let him see you say that
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but you guys seem to forget you do not know if its heavier or lighter so how will you know what group of coins to pick??

~Rebirth~

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6 vs 6
whichever one weighs more split in half and measure - should either be different or equal
if equal dismiss this 6 use other 6
if different use this 6 and dismiss other 6

with your final 6 you will now know wether it weighs more or less due to first test.
split in half - if from your first test you know it weighs more whichever 3 weighs more contains the odd coin
- if from your first test it weighs less you know the 3 coins that weigh less contain the odd coin

from the final three - put one on either side..
if equal the other coin is the odd one
if different the one that weighs more is the odd one.

- HUMI FOR MOD!!!

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total number of coins = 12

balance 5 and 5, if they are equal you have 2 left. take the final 2 and split them up on eather side remembering which was which, then you take two of the normal coins and add with them. This inturn will give you a bigger side and a lower side.
Then take the lower side and add 1 coin to it. If they are equal the coin from the higher side is the odd, if they are off again, the odd coin is from the low side

[13:43] <@RisingDown> never thought i'd say it, but TBO actually did something useful.
[13:43] <@arsy> dont let him see you say that
[13:43] <@RisingDown> oh shit
[13:43] * You were kicked from #room by arsy (kapow!)

Re: The Riddler's House of Riddles

Reword the riddle otherwise Arby is right tongue

"I lie down next to an angel, fall asleep and fly with the demons"
I once prayed to god for some planets, but quickly found out he didnt work that way

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You weigh 4 of the coins against 4 of the other coins to start with.

If balanced, then you will know the coins are in the final 4 coins.
From there, you weigh 2 of those coins against the other 2 coins. You take only one of those sides, and wiegh those 2 coins and weigh them. You will know which coin it is because of the 4 coins in the 2nd weighing, you will know if the group is heavier or lighter (because you will be taking either the lighter or heavier group), so you know which of the 2 is the odd coin based on whether it is lighter or heavier.

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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Wornstrum +1

Answer:

This is a real toughie.  Along the way, we'll denote coins
we know nothing about with '?'; coins that can't be the odd
coin with '0'; coins that must be heavier if they're odd with 'H';
and coins that must be lighter if they're odd with 'L'.
STEP 1. Weigh four coins against four coins.  Either (a) they
balance or (b) they don't.  So (a) looks like 00000000???? and (b)
looks like HHHHLLLL0000.
STEP 2(a). Weigh two '?' coins against one '?' and one '0'.
There are three possible results: (i) they balance, (ii) the '??'
side is heavier, (iii) the '?0' side is heavier.
STEP 3(a)(i).  Since the scales balanced again, we now have
00000000000?.  The last coin must be the odd coin.  Weigh it against
an '0' coin to see whether it's too heavy or too light.
STEP 3(a)(ii). The 4 coins not weighed in step 1 now are HHL0.
Weigh H against H.  If the scales balance, L is the odd coin and is lighter
than the other coins.  Otherwise, the tip of the scale tells you which
is H is in fact heavier and which is actually an 0 coin.
STEP 3(a)(iii).  Proceed as in 3(a)(ii), but with L's and H's switched.
STEP 2(b).  We so far have HHHHLLLL0000.  Weigh HHL against HL0.
There are three possible results: (i) they balance, (ii) the 'HHL'
side is heavier, (iii) the 'HLO' side is heavier.
STEP 3(b)(i). The five "candidate" coins on the scale in the last
step must be ok, leaving HLL000000000.  Proceed as in step 3(a)(iii).
STEP 3(b)(ii).  The three "candidate" coins not weighed in the
last step must be ok.  Also, since HHL was heavier than HL0, either
an H from the left side is truly heavier or the L on the right
side is truly lighter.  This gives HHL000000000, so proceed as
in step 3(a)(ii).
STEP 3(b)(iii).  Again, the three "candidate" coins not weighed
in step 2(b) are ok.  Since HL0 was heavier than HHL, either
the H on the left is truly heavier or the L on the right is
truly lighter.  Weigh the H coin against any 0 coin.  If they
balance, the L is truly lighter; if not, the H is truly heavier
(and the scale will tip toward H).

Solis - #7872

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> Poley wrote:

> Reword the riddle otherwise Arby is right tongue


Nope, it is fine, the odd coin is lighter or heavier than the other coins...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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yeah nice one I was just starting that road now, but you beat me to it smile

~Rebirth~

390 (edited by The Riddler 18-Feb-2012 22:30:43)

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There are 100 coins scattered in a dark room. 90 have heads facing up and 10 have tails up. You cannot distinguish (by feel, etc.) which coins are which. How do you sort the coins into two piles that contain the same number of tails facing UP?

Solis - #7872

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> ~Wornstrum~ wrote:

> Nope, it is fine, the odd coin is lighter or heavier than the other coins...

The riddle stated the answer basically tongue

"You have twelve coins, eleven identical and one different."

So technically Arby was right! There was no mention that they all were identical wink

"I lie down next to an angel, fall asleep and fly with the demons"
I once prayed to god for some planets, but quickly found out he didnt work that way

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"How do you sort the coins into two piles that contain the same number of tails?"

All the coins have tails, some are up, some are down...so you create 2 equal piles of 50 coins...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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put on the light?

~Rebirth~

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damn worn you got it

~Rebirth~

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Take the coins, and place them into 2 piles of 50 coins each, both on their sides. That way, all coins will have 0 tails facing up, and will be equal.

Modestus Experitus

Arby: A very strict mod, reminds me of a fat redneck who drives a truck around all day with a beer in one hand. I hated this guy at the start, however, I played a round in PW with him where he went as an anonymous player. Our fam got smashed up and everyone pretty much left. Arby stayed around and helped out the remaining family. At the end of the round he revealed himself.... My views on him have changed since. Your a good guy.....

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you know there are 10 tails, so pick 10 random coins
and turn them arround
then you got a pile of 90 and 10 but they always contain the same number of tails.

~Rebirth~

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Sir_Prozac +1

Solis - #7872

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f.ex you got 10 tails in the 10 coins you randomly pick.
then the pile of 90 contains 0 tails, and you turn the 10 arround making 10 tails 10 heads, hence the same amount of tail being 0

~Rebirth~

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Wheeeeeee

~Rebirth~

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A professor tells her assistant that she dined with three people last night. She also tells him that the sum of the three people's ages is twice the secretary's own age and that the product of the three people's ages is 2,450. Then, she asks him to tell her the ages of the three people. After a while, the assistant tells the professor that he doesn't have enough information to solve the problem. She agrees and adds that she is older than all three people with whom she dined. The assistant, who knows her age, promptly gives the professor the correct ages. The question is: What are the ages of all five people in this story?

Solis - #7872