Atleast it would mean US wont bankrupt by 2020

sorry
couldnt resist

"Libertarians believe in defense only (so no troops over sea's for any reason except for a direct attack, and then only equal to the attack received."
I believe most self-proclaimed libertarians aren't as fanatic as you describe. A lot of them still advocate a preemptive attack if US became threatened.

"They also believe in legalization of all drugs... yeah we need a new crack addict generation..."
Ron paul only advocates state rules over federal rules, so bringing that example up is just unfair.

"They further disagree with almost any regulations of any sort."
again, maybe only 5% is as fanatic as you discribe. And RP surely isn't one of them.

I almost put him on the same level as Newt: Better then Obama or Romney but not exactly the president I was waiting for. He will revive the economy but **** up many other things.

ron paul 2012!!

ok then, i ask you

how manny people die because of alcohol and tabacco a year, and how manny die because of your heroin.
you wil find that the numbers are far greater!

And apparently u got no clue what an alchohol addiction does to people, or when a heavy smoker has to go outside every 10 minits for their puff. can they be an asset to our community?

your just one of them sheep saying what others have teatched you to say, due to the fact our goverments allow these drugs in our society that their better...

their alll just alike! being equally as bad.

> Paininside wrote:

> ok then, i ask you

how manny people die because of alcohol and tabacco a year, and how manny die because of your heroin.
you wil find that the numbers are far greater!

I'll concede the numbers are greater, no doubt.  However, there are multiple variables which make the numbers different.  Specifically, the fact that alcohol and tobacco are legal mean there will obviously be more deaths, because there is a higher available supply and marketability for those goods... much more than for heroin.  You're comparing apples and oranges here.

> And apparently u got no clue what an alchohol addiction does to people, or when a heavy smoker has to go outside every 10 minits for their puff. can they be an asset to our community?

1: There is such a thing as an alcohol user who isn't an alcohol addict.  That is almost unheard of with heroin.
2: Don't try and tell me I don't know what it does.  I've had plenty of close relatives who have died from both alcohol and non-alcohol related drug addictions.  I could make this some emotional issue based on those experiences, but I'm trying to analyze things objectively.  Don't pretend you know me for the sake of your argument.
3: An alcohol or cigarette user can still hold up a job.  A heroin user loses all motivation for everything other than their next high.
4: Rehabilitation from alcohol and rehabilitation from heroin are in two completely different fields.  One is stressful and painful.  The other is deadly.

> your just one of them sheep saying what others have teatched you to say, due to the fact our goverments allow these drugs in our society that their better...

their alll just alike! being equally as bad.

Why don't you try not throwing out the personal attacks and just sticking to the issues.  Things like this do nothing to help determine the truth value of anyone's arguments... it just helps to hurt the actual debate that occurs in these forums.  I'd strongly advise you to stick to the substantive arguments, and not the ad hominem.

I definitely agree that cigarettes and alcohol are bad.  But they're just not on par with certain drugs, specifically heroin.  I'm just noting that, no matter what you think in general for drug laws, heroin is in its own category entirely.

> Paininside wrote:

> my problem einstein is that people just call all sort of crap without properly argumenting it, my post atleast caused some proper reaction from zarf, and your right zarf, i shouldnt had made it personal i appolegize.

Fair enough.  We're good. 

thats what i said Poley
i ment shit as in, tv's pc's jewerly etc

but there are plenty of other drugs wich are illegal where people stil would be able to be normal in todays society like weed for instance.
I think hes screaming make everything legal more for the fact of haggling purposes, then him realy wanting those things to be legal.
Now he can say: Ok, lets not make crack legal, lets not make cocaine legal, but lets do the weed.

Then it sounds like he gave in, thus being less bad for the opposition to the same regarding the weed.
Because the only reason i could think of him wanting all the other crap to be legal, is that he would be using himself. But being a politician in USA u get screaned and screaned for sole purpose of making that person look bad in public oppinion. He would be stupid if he realy would be using it himself.

your allready saying murder is ok, by legalizing tabacco and alchohol.

Weed is easyer u only have to grow and dry it and due its use also Publicly accepted, so everyone  is stil meusuring in two sizes

@pain:
To make alcohol, you only need yeast (or luck) and juice (or fruit) and a basket. Thats easier still. Alcohol is hard drug and more addictive. Why do you compare it to weed?

Anywayz, back to topic, I'm just pointing out the difficulties with your plan. I'm not saying alcohol is good or weed should be banned. Just saying its not easy to illegalise alcohol.