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Topic: Obama the Uniter?

Gallup released the third year poll on how Obama is doing 'uniting'

The poll shows that for the third year in a row Obama is the most Partisan (this means opposite of uniter) President in US history.

Yes in 223 years he is the most divisive President in our history.


Obama ran as a man who could end the bickering of the parties, who could also make America shine in the eyes of the world masses (how's that working out?)


Democrats and Liberals..

Consider this a wake up call. He ain't fixed any problems.

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Which president ever *fixed* the problems of the partisan system? A two party system is horribly flawed, gerry-mandering is a stupid concept. Social system has had a sharp decline since the depression. There are tons of minorities in prison. The prisons are overcrowded. America has been losing its grasp on foreign affairs.
Which president after world war one has ever done anything to rectify the problems?.

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3 Reply by RisingDown (edited by RisingDown 30-Jan-2012 22:14:21)

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/152222/Obama-Ratings-Historically-Polarized.aspx

you mean that one?

Is that to be contributed to Obama entirely or may, perhaps, that be somewhat due to the Republican party's anti-Democrat-and-all-things-remotely-connected-to-Democrats point of view?
I know, what a silly notion of course not!


Plus that same poll mentions the following:

"In fact, Obama's Year Three average 68-percentage-point partisan gap is tied for the fourth highest in Gallup records dating back to the Eisenhower administration. Only George W. Bush's fourth, fifth, and sixth years in office showed higher degrees of political polarization. Together, Bush and Obama account for the 7 most polarized years, and 8 of the top 10.


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That may not be a reflection on Obama himself as much as on the current political environment in the United States, because Obama's immediate predecessor, Bush, had similarly polarized ratings, particularly in the latter stages of his presidency after the rally in support from the 9/11 terror attacks faded."

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4 Reply by The Great Eye (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 31-Jan-2012 08:18:47)

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The interesting distinction, though, is that a big part of Obama's campaign was centered around ending the exact partisan politics we see.

The difference is the relationship between intent and results.  If, for example, we found that PETA was directly responsible for making an insane amount of species go extinct, second only to Microsoft... it would be logical that we should hold people who are advocating removal of a problem to a higher standard than those who don't advocate removal of the problem, because one case is blatant hypocrisy, while the other is ignorance.

It's the same reason why civil rights organizations get on the backs of liberal Western nations for minor abuses more than they would for dictators rampantly making such abuses... the liberal Western nation should know better.

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5 Reply by The Great Eye (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 30-Jan-2012 22:29:56)

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Additionally, one interesting distinction is that, unlike most every other president, Obama had a filibuster-proof majority for a year.  So, unlike other Presidents, Obama had a choice between partisanship and a rejection of partisanship in deciding how to govern (in prior Presidencies, presidents desiring to get policies passed must consult the opposition, or the bills will get blocked in one or both houses of Congress).  That wasn't the case... Obama could have picked less divisive policy issues if he wanted... but he chose to make Health Care Reform (a blatantly divisive issue) a top item on the agenda.  And I'm willing to bet Flint has a few other bones to pick, but long story short, one can definitely cite specific instances where the health care reform bill was passed in a largely partisan manner.

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what a funny idea. to unite a political system designed on having differences. did he plan to become a dictator? no one wants to pass bills that wont benefit themselves. and then we get mad when our president doesnt make good choices. we elected him because he is a smooth talker. not because he is an economics engineer. otherwise why would he have to assemble a team that does exactly what we elected him for? lets make a change and elect an engineer. someone who isnt just a smooth talker. btw obama and all the gop electives are smooth talkers nothing more.

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7 Reply by The Great Eye (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 31-Jan-2012 02:50:27)

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No argument there... yes, I would generally prefer to elect an economist than a poli sci person, all things being equal.  tongue

EDIT: Wait a sec... Bush Jr. had a degree in the Harvard business program... tongue

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> Einstein wrote:

> Gallup released the third year poll on how Obama is doing 'uniting'

>The poll shows that for the third year in a row Obama is the most Partisan (this means opposite of uniter) President in US history.

>Yes in 223 years he is the most divisive President in our history.


>Obama ran as a man who could end the bickering of the parties, who could also make America shine in the eyes of the world masses (how's that working out?)


>Democrats and Liberals..

>Consider this a wake up call. He ain't fixed any problems.

Sure is post hoc ergo propter hoc in here.

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Hmm wonder who funded the 'research'

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Europeans telling us our party system is broke?

BWAHAHAHAHA

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a 2 party system is only one party away from a 1 party system

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It takes two to tango....

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