More [happy] retarded nonsense from the president.

This is not Europe. Our population isn't concentrated enough for this idea to work in a million years. Well, maybe in a million years, depending on population growth. But not now. Or in 10 years. Or 20. You get the idea.

This is a really stupid idea made to make idiots who will never use it or see it feel better about themselves, because their vote supported innovation and preserved the environment! Nevermind that government can't innovate, nobody would use it and so it wouldn't help the environment, and that all that wasted money and productivity could have gone toward something actually worthy. Just not spending it, because we don't have it, would be more virtuous and kind to America and the future generations he's going to saddle with paying for his bribes and gimmicks.

HiSpeed trains don't get used much in The Netherlands because the ticket costs are to high. If it doesn't work here, it sure won't work in a far less densely populated nation like the US.

if you want to make money you'd need superadvanced trains at current run of the mill prices, otherwise you're better off putting the 105 billion$ into aviation technologies

remember that the eurotunnel project was also a big financial disaster

Llow return on investment would be one thing.

This promises to waste billions.

When an employer could spend $50,000 a year for an employee... and make a profit... 20,000 jobs are ruined with a complete boondoggle.

That quote isn't even referring to the debt crisis, ilu.

Bush made to much debt agreed, but Obama made it worse and if you compare, has a far bigger part in it. That's the opposite of cleaning up right?

These are facts no matter who's what. Look at the figures and show me I'm wrong.

Hey we can stop worrying about the debt now, Bush only spent 6.1 billion

Phew, now Obama has no excuse for the economy, with ojr b udget in the trillions..

Keep moving those goalposts.

> Dpenguins wrote:

> HDB citing the new york times for democratic support is like citing fox news for republican support. 

Are you disputing the set of numbers in that article, or just making an ad hominem argument?

> Dpenguins wrote:

"first- yes i do dispute the accuracy of the results the nyt brings in as much as i would dispute the accuracy of the results fox news posts"
You ARE making an ad hominem argument. Also, the information which you are disputing (for illogical reasons) is not "from" the NYT, it is from the sources clearly cited in my post and in their article. They are merely reporting it.

"second- youre comparing an 8 year term which involved a war (not disputing whether or not it was worth it. simply for monetary reasons) to a 4 year term"
I'm not the one who made the comparison, little paul did. I disputed his claim and provided information to the contrary. Mission accomplished. Since there is no point in citing sources, I'm not going to bother looking for one, but I am pretty sure that the cost of the Iraq War was not included in GWB's deficit due to some accounting trick that was done away with during the current administration.

> Dpenguins wrote:

> only harry potter could make the debt from the war go away from that analysis. 

So you reject the part of the analysis that disagrees with your conclusion, based on the source, but accept a part of the same analysis form the same source if it includes something that supports your conclusion. That makes no sense.

Aside from Obama being a good president or not. Comparing such numbers is useless. As you said yourself there was a war and a lot of money was spent on national security. On the other side, the surplus that was generated under Clinton was depleted and became even a debt! The official recession in America records to 2007 and you blame Obama (inaugurated in 2009) for not being able to clean up fast enough and I seriously doubt any republican would have done better either.

Anyway on topic; Any info as to the original idea / plans on this project. I would like to know some more to make a proper statement