Ok let me respond to those who have provided something useful to my thread, others i'm not sure if your directing at me or talking to yourself.

TCO - i was about to respond to your post but then smaug contradicted everything you said, so therefore you will need to present a new argument.

Lee/Painside - im not seeking followers but im glad some players can see the underlying point of this thread.

Smaug - Like i said in my initial thread I am 100% aware of my reputation and my past, good and bad because i was there.  I havent got an alter ego or a multiple personality.  But what i am trying to make you (and by making you, make others) aware of is the tackling of issues in this game.

Now many of you seem to have got to this thread and not fully understood its purpose or your insight on IC at this time in 2012 is wrong.  So let me explain

I know IC has changed, i was there 14 years ago and it has changed dramatically, so please dont tell me about how time has changed, i know what a clock is. 

Please stop saying "just fight"  because I am an attacker at heart and those who know me know i fight the hard, i am stubborn to a new extreme and if i had been the guy with the say so i would never have given a planet to any family.

Please stop justifying this new rule where this has become acceptable, because it has never been.  It is a new concept, and idea, just like the fam bank system, the nap systems its a new policy that has emerged where players are taking an easy route, a shortcut to a cheap win.

Please stop saying "we offered you planets"  because i know cloud did, i know his leadership style and i totally disagree with his initial reaction, but looking past that, you should not be cancelling a nap with a fam of this size.  If you want to alter or remove the nap without aggression, then it should be done in a non-agressive manner.

Lastly, stop mentioning becoming a pest or a disctraction, because IC has changed, and there is no longer that middle ground where you fight/economise,  now its fight or economise.  there are not constant wars, the galaxy is no longer unpredictable, you cannot hold out for some fortune because its quite obvious what is going to happen.  I can see it with my own eyes, the big families who have naps, the likelyhood of cancellations and i can asume a pretty good cancellation time by looking at the map and reading the ranking page.  So do not try and teach me what i have been learning for the last decade.

Instead, at this time and period there needs to be a middle ground where smaller families can fight smaller families, they can grow without becoming a farming ground and in turn create more competition.  Atleast until we make these new game improvements.  Otherwise round on round we are driving players out.  And all thats left is these smug vets with their cheap win and a trail of foul smell.

U make no sense. Orbit if all ur derogatory comments towards me is ur way of asking to help ic. U picked the wrong forum wrong subject and wrong way to present urself. This thread is pointless....

And u make no sense Nick...u were inactive for 90% of the round. So ur opinion is void.

This is my last waste of breath on u people humping orbits face....wrong place. Wrong thread orbit. If u wanna help well u know what I think u should do, but there is an idea forum otherwise.

Smaug, your deflecting every post i make about you because you cannot justify your actions.  I would love for you to explain to the community why you feel this is how to win the game.  A player of your stature shouldnt be so shy to educate the younger generation of IC.

I dont wanna be vet... rather be skinny well not too actually.. Ill just go for Muscled to keep it in balance

thread hijacked imo

and 2ndly, with so little fams in the galaxy, who are we supposed to attack...

have 1 war per round or whaT?

a game that has so many loopholes for attacking the weak and comes down to the playing style of imperfect human beings like yourselves is likely to be exploited.  this game has little protection so far for the inactive, noobs and weak unlike other games.  you shall all be  judged by your maker at the end.

Typical response from you Artic.  Didnt expect anything less.

Why are there so few players in this game...hmmn i wonder why...Artic?

Are you suppose to fight one fam all round Artic?

No.

But im 100% sure if you farm all your potential competition before giving them a chance to even reach a admiral size then YES, you will only fight 1 real war all round...

Agree with TCO...the only people that stick around on this game long term are those that have a good basic understanding of the game and actually like the mechanics behind it. The idea is solid and yet difficult which is what makes me enjoy playing.

So attracting new blood to a game that already has the negative side of not being attractive becomes even worse when they get bullied from the very start. I have been guilty of this just like every other big fam....but the simple fact is that while everyone talks bad about farming the first thing they do when they are in the top 5 is farm. Why? because it makes life a whole lot easier for you...

So until people actually stand by their guns and decide they will not farm even if it means losing a round....this game will continue to drop.

"the community here is amongst the worst when it comes to online games, with nothing but whining and flaming going on. "

I was just explaining this in #mod yesterday, as i was speaking to the same people that do the insults and flaming it fell on deaf ears, but there you have it the main reason this game won't  grow. I simply stick around because i enjoy beating on overseas players just because im good at it

~ Cloud

every game is a "geek" game...thats just stupid logic to think that just because this one has more to do with numbers it makes it a geek game in comparison to other games.

they all have particular strategies involved with you sitting on your ass...=geek