Topic: Why does the US love Israel so much?

why is there so much nation on nation love there?

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

Well back in WWII, actually a bit prior to it, we were told bad things were happening.

We ignored it.

We then got in the war, and as we started taking back Europe we found that the atrocities were severe, beyond the pale, beyond what we would ever have believed.

And since we were based upon Judeo/Christian beliefs, and at that time belief was very strong, this left a very large imprint.



When the Arabs decided to migrate into the "Palestine lands" (which had been mostly vacant up until the start of the Jewish immigration into Israel there was but minor conflict at first.

The flashing point happened rather quick though, and Israel was born.

When the Arab nations launched the attacks we supported Israel with arms because we had issues elsewhere. Israel kept winning against the odds, which supports our Biblical belief structure that they still remain cherished by God.


That they remain more noble than those who attack them reinforces this. Israel only attacks in retaliation for attacks. Their opponents are not so kind.

Israel has tried to 'build the peace' as well, with job offerings, infrastructure, and more. That they still try even as those offerings are often destroyed shows the character of both sides.

That those of us who know the true history, and do not believe the propoganda designed to alter that history, support Israel because it has always been kinder, nicer, more restrained, and more noble than their opponents.

If I was asked to help Israel in defense against invaders, I could die for such as them. Die with a smile if I knew our efforts succeeded in protecting Israel.

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

they speak english

everybody else we have to hear through female BBC translators

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

Also for the past 30 years since Muslim extremists started bombing on Americans we notice the enemies of Israel seem quite pally with our enemies.

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

To this I would say that historical reasons can (and have) become redundant, including the fact that Israel has been the only democracy in the region.

The policies of Israel have also been very agressive towards the palestinian occupied territories. You don't get to unilaterally change a UN plan.

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

the hell you don't

hmm that's another reason right there

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

That and they gave us nukes first wink

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"When the Arabs decided to migrate into the "Palestine lands" (which had been mostly vacant up until the start of the Jewish immigration into Israel there was but minor conflict at first."

This statement is kinda, uhm.... wrong.
The Palestine lands have been populated for ages, and have always been contested and switched hands between empires countless times. When the Israeli state was enforced by the UN in November 1947 on British territory (Palestina) that had been populated by a mix of cultures, the indiginous Palestinians even filed complaints but were ignored. In fact, the area was already in a tense situation due to unrest between Arabs and Jews that populated the regions.
Real conflict (in the form of war) started the next year, in 1948. During this conflict, also known as Al-Nakba (the catastrophe) to Palestinians, 750 000 Arabs were forced to flee, 400 Arab towns were destroyed by the Jews, and only 160 000 of the 850 000 Arabs who lived in now Israeli territory were not driven away from their land. All their previous possessions were confiscated by the Jews (through Israeli legislature). In 1949 a resolution was signed to deal with the Palestinian refugees: even though Israel signed this, it was hardly acted upon. (the Arab states did not sign the resolution)

From this point onwards Israel has always maintained an agressive, racist and inhumane stance towards Arabs.

To say that these areas were largely vacant until Jewish immigration into Israel is an outright lie.
To say that the Israeli state came into existance with only minor conflict is an outright lie.
To say that Arabs only then migrated into "Palestinian lands" is incorrect as well.

"When the Arab nations launched the attacks we supported Israel with arms because we had issues elsewhere. Israel kept winning against the odds, which supports our Biblical belief structure that they still remain cherished by God."
Your statements make it sound like the Arab states were the agressor, they were either provoked by Israel's agressive stance and discriminating behavior against Israeli Arabs or Israel was the agressor.
Being at a disadvantage in numbers does not always mean the odds were against Israel, they were better funded and used more high-tech equipment for the time. Not to forget they were FAR better organized.


Israel still maintains a highly discriminating stance towards Arabs nowadays



"That they remain more noble than those who attack them reinforces this. Israel only attacks in retaliation for attacks. Their opponents are not so kind."
Israel violates human rights on a daily basis and is extremely racist, saying they are "noble" is laughable. Heck, they even aren't afraid to use some illegal weaponry to "teach those Arabs a lesson".

"Israel has tried to 'build the peace' as well, with job offerings, infrastructure, and more. That they still try even as those offerings are often destroyed shows the character of both sides."
Efforts to build peace? Such as constantly colonizing more land in Arab-designated areas? They only make efforts for peace when they themselves are not the ones paying for it. Laughable.


"That those of us who know the true history, and do not believe the propoganda designed to alter that history, support Israel because it has always been kinder, nicer, more restrained, and more noble than their opponents."

It is in fact you who has fallen to the propaganda.
Not to say the Arabs have never done anything bad to the Jews or mistreated them: they have mistreated the Jews in the past, currently hold a racist view towards them themselves (largily due to the conflict with Israel) and have shown agression in the past and present (however, not unprovoked many a time). However, to state that Israel deserves support because Israel is a "noble" state which has only reacted upon agression from other states, just proves how brainwashed you are.

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

Next I will post a non arab source

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,808252,00.html

Israel is dropping out of the westen world day by day. In a not too distant future Israel may have left our understanding of democracy and turned into a real theocracy. Atm they are a half one. Read the article, it is very good.

Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

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During the Mandate, the Yishuv or Jewish community in Palestine, grew from one-sixth to almost one-third of the population. According to official records, 367,845 Jews and 33,304 non-Jews immigrated legally between 1920 and 1945. It was estimated that another 50

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

European understanding of democracy is largely failed states.

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Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

The new state Israel did not exist until 1948 when it declared itself a new country. Jewish migration into the Palestina area preceded it for a long time yes, but that was not the point.

The point was that the formation of Israel did in fact meet with heavy conflict (a civil war even).

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Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

Re: Why does the US love Israel so much?

It's the only democratic nation in the Middle East. Maybe you should love your fellow man and the freedom and respect he deserves a little more.

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