Topic: Police and Lethal Force

Every so often people get all upset at police when they kill an armed man.

"Why did they not shoot the weapon from his hand"

"He only had a knife, why did they shoot to kill?"

"Police should be trained to shoot legs and arms and not take a life"



While this is not in response to a particular incident, I try to keep people on the right track.


Let me be brutal here. I have suffered a gun shot wound (two hits to be precise, plus shrapnel).

I was fully functional despite the trauma to my right shoulder.


I have suffered muscle injuries to my calves and feet also with a big fall off a rope in the army.

I could function albiet with pain (this issue is a longterm one with periodic chronic pain issues)



I can also kill a man at 20 feet with a proper throwing weapon before he can finish blinking. Thank forestry classes for that one wink



A cop has but one life to live, and he considers his life precious. While you may not, you must consider his feelings in the matter.

A suspect with a weapon will not be neccessarily standing still, and a shot to a weapon that misses guarantees (in all cop minds) use of the weapon. A moving weapon is something only the top 1% can possibly reliably hit, and even then, a 5% chance to miss is a 5% chance an innocent or a cop dies.

Police aim center of mass for the same reason soldiers do. Center mass is easier to hit, usually results in a hit that will disable (gut shot, very painful) or terminate the opponent, and can also (mattering on caliber) toss the enemy back (ruining a potential last shot by them).

Asking or, worse, requiring them to try for disabling shots can and will get people killed.


So the next time you see a report of a police shooting, do not be outraged by the standards allowing the police to shoot.



Oh and police emptying magazines.

I was hit center of mass, in my shoulder. I have heard of soldiers with ten plus chest wounds laying down fire. When you get in a shooting match you do not take a chance. You put your lead downfield until your 100% sure the enemy is dead. Any exceptions means you can die.

When I hear of ten officers emptying a magazine I have no issues. If they empty two magazines I have few worries. A firefight is an issue of life and death, and I will default to acknowledge survival rights to the officers.

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I do not complain when police use deadly force, frankly if a man is acting in a way (ie. threatening others lives) that he dies, he probably deserved it ...I do however feel that, for the purposes of justice, that deadly shootings are investigated to ensure it was warranted (ie. what you discussed above with the whole "he has to protect his life and the others around him"...I would disagree with a police officer unloading his magazine on a man armed with bubble bath...so long as each incident is investigated properly, no problems)...Police also have tazers (and there have been a few incidents in Australia where Police are a little TOO trigger happy, but these incidents are investigated)...

I would be interested to hear what Gwynedd says on the matter actually smile

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australian police are crazy they don't aim for center of mass they aim to shoot for the lungs and they can shoot to stop people running

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I suspect a troll against Gwynedd...no they do not shoot people to stop them running away (unless you are referring to the Tazer)...I heard everytime they unholster their gun they have to give a valid reason for it...

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I agree with Wornstrum, in that the above scenario by Flint is justifiable as needing deadly force, but that doesn't mean we should give the police free reign to use guns, nor does it mean that the police person's word should be taken that the use was needed. An independent and through investigation needs to take place, which also means that the police officer only uses the gun in the appropriate situation, i.e. the one where they act on instinct cause the offender has a gun/deadly weapon of some kind and is being threatening.

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I want to see a video of you hitting a target at 20 feet with a proper throwing weapon Flint, otherwise I will disregard everything you say ever.

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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeA1FqOFGZ-M&v=eA1FqOFGZ-M&gl=US

I placed 4th in State in Highschool, first in compass and pacing, my team got first in firehose relay, and I forget what I got third in.

I was better at a hatchet throw than an axe, and I was decent for our personal knife throwing contests (the type of game the teachers did not know of). I got A's in Forestry due to skill with all the equipment.

In fact I was one of the best at chainsaws in my class also (though some other school owned us at State in chainsaw contests).



I do not have video of myself doing such, but the skill remains (I use a sledgehammer in my current job, if I had to I could smack a head in up close or at a good distance)

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You sound proud about your ability to rearrange someone's skull...I am happy with my inability to appropriately defend myself physically in a bad situation, but I also ask in what situation would you need to use a sledgehammer to defend yourself...your proudness of your skills worries me...

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If I goto Chicago or Detroit I need all the skill to survive I can get.

In Detroit they throw explosives at trucks to try to force them to stop (true story an attempted hijacking of a truck in my old company they threw a device that detonated several drive tires, the drive pushed his throttle and got the hell outta there.... smart guy)

In Chicago I have seen the ghettos, driven through them with a load of Coors beer no less... I slept the night in a 5 truck truck stop in the ghetto there. I know I am scared of those areas.

And being able to defend yourself is a cherished right in the United States. 'Over my dead body' means I am going to kill you first if I can should you try.



Ever have crack dealers run up to your door peddling? Yeah I have. I also know about how trailers disappear in Chicago if left unattended for an hour, and I see reports of trucks stolen in those regions all the time.


High school may have given me skill, the Army refined that skill.

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Not to mention if the zombies ever attack...

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