Topic: Dmitri Medvedev "US causes financial crisis"

"The us causes the worldwide financial crisis." Dmitri Medvedev sais this during an economic forum in Sint-petersburg. Till now one could argue tha anti-us statements are propaganda mostly. But an economic forum isn't the best place for propaganda of this kind.  With the current demand for food and energy recources, they feel like they have a strong possition and say that out loud. While they used to deny this in foreign diplomacy.

I think its major stupidity to have an other cold war. Even if the temperature isn't all that high. If they are going up that train again they could loose all potential they have now. Question is, how long will the russian totalitarian regime survive without a big enemy as a propaganda tool? If they turned democratic, there would be no need for this.

Also I think the EU is far to forgiving for russias agressive politics.

Please don't turn this into another US-econ debate. You're free to debate it, but it will make this thread go off-toppic. What I want to debate is the foreign policy of russia and more specific towards the EU and the US.

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"The us causes the worldwide financial crisis."

Wow,he should join Mensa.

The inmates are running the asylum

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Well... he is almost right... do i see a could war coming? i guess not... do not over react

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Not because of this single act freelancer. We've had numerous threads about russia in this forum before.

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um......... didn't the US actually cause a large part of the global financial issues that currently exist?

Wasn't the whole thing set off by the crap lending practices and securitisation of debt by dodgy loaners? A trillion dollars just disappear in months with banks worldwide scared to give out a single cent?

The more vocal Americans on this board are quick to remind us that the US is the most important part of the world economy, yet when they stuff it up criticism is written off as war mongering.

Plus they are doubly right on food, with western Europe and North America using millions of tons of food to make ethanol, exacerbating food shortages while at the same time maintaining farming subsidies, preventing market access from poorer nations.


Of course this is all a moot point because we don't know the context of the speech. Otherwise, none of this should be shocking or controversial, we know it has happened and it helps no one being revisionists just because it was said by someone who we don't like.

6 (edited by Little Paul 07-Jun-2008 21:33:08)

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tpiddy,
Nothing personal but as I said: "Please don't turn this into another US-econ debate." I respect your opinion but one line should be sufficiant to use it as an argument so the second and third paragraphs are offtopic. That would still be ok if it were not for those numerous offtopic replies we can expect.

"Otherwise, none of this should be shocking or controversial, we know it has happened and it helps no one being revisionists just because it was said by someone who we don't like."
Its not about WHAT he sais, its about WHY he sais it. At that level they usually plan what they are going to make public. So the top of the russian powerhouse has intrests in saying so. Else they wouldn't.

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"At that level they usually plan what they are going to make public."

off topic joke, just watch bush tongue

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg

On topic

US missile shield near Russian borders is worse than his coments about internacional economics

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If you have the largest Economy in the world, then you are the most important economy in the world.
Microsoft, IBM, Caterpillar, Boeing, GE, Merc, Citi, Gen Dynamics, etc.
Dollar backed oil, Countries dependent on US imports, etc.

If banks the world over, wish to invest in US Mortgage backed securities, and the US Real Estate market takes it on the chin, because of a correction.......Then why is the US to blame ??

Medvedev is out of line.  As well, he is firing up a flame that had been doused out by Reagan, and the policies of Reagan.

Maybe, Putin is not so far away from the fire as we are all lead to believe ??

Russia is now turning into a reinvented USSR.....less a few satellites to control.

I agree with Little Paul.  Russia's voice is dangerous.  Plunging the world into another Cold war is not a path that the world can afford.  His focus should be on Russia and getting their economy going steady and true.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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"Medvedev is out of line." by making a critic that it is not far from the reality?

"Then why is the US to blame ??" he is not blaming US he is just saying that it is because of US that there is an economical crisis

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Words mean something.

ROFL....

OK he is not blaming the US, he is saying its because of the US that there is an economic crisis ??

I just want to clarify this......

He is not blaming the US, he is sayings its because of the US.



I am correct here ??

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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I am just saying that we could look both ways.

And i look to the way where he is not blaming, he is just saying that todays world economical situation is do to USA. Is that blaming?

And if you find what he said is

"Also I think the EU is far to forgiving for russias AGRESSIVE politics."

then i think you are paranoid

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He's just bitching because they stole $11 billion in IMF aid during the 1990s and its depreciated by 50% in the swiss bank vaults. tongue

Russia wants the prestige it was awarded out of fear, without being anything to be afraid of.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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@ Freelancer

What "Both ways?" can we look, or as you say that Medvedev was looking ??

Words have meaning.....again, I must say.

You mention the US, SPECIFICALLY, for a reason.  Not for a non-reason.

Freelancer ... Do you see Russia as being aggressive ??
Do you see Russia as an ally in the EU or to the USA/UK ??

After all, France lost its Almost Ally in the UN, France.  France looks to be on the US/UK team again.  That leaves Russia in the minority to align w/China or to go it alone.
Russia will not go w/China......so where do they go ?   
They go alone in my book, looking to form a divide.

You do that by publicly isolating one of the US/UK or France (not quite in the triple threat yet).



ROFL.....
I like Yell's explanation.

Fits, dont it ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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"Freelancer ... Do you see Russia as being aggressive ??
Do you see Russia as an ally in the EU or to the USA/UK ??"

Lol you are going to build a missil shield near there borders!! What you want? medal from Russia?

In my eyes, it is much more aggressive to build a missil shield near a border, than saying what he said. At least what he said it is not far from the reality.

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freelancer, it doesn't matter much if he sais the truth or not because he has nobody to answere to except the russian top. Somehow I got the feeling they don't care all that much about the truth

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"then i think you are paranoid"
*at 05/06/08
he visits berlin. He warns that further expension of the nato could damage the relationships between europe and russia. Merkel was surprisingly soft, while before she was often very firm about the violation of human rights. That has to do with the giant amounts of gas russia delivers at germany and other european countries.
*04/05/08
The russian gov sais georgia increases the tension with Abchazia on purpous by sending airplanes to the "fobidden zone" ->above abchazia. Moskou sais that georgia is preparing a military operation against abchazia en sends more soldiers to the region to "protect their own civilians" in case of a conflict.
*do 20/03/08 Russias secret service has arrested a member of the oil groop TNK-BP and a membert of the british council. Another big energy compagny they lay their hand on. Its their main strategic weapon so no coincidence I think.
*ma 03/03/08 -
The russian gascompany GAZPROM has decreased its gaz input to the Oekrain with 1/4th. The start of another long energy war. Just like 2 years ago.
*the cyberattack on Estland 5-2007
not starting about kosovo, the relationship with england, belarus, Chechnya etc etc

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Little Paul, if you want a politics debate, don't ask an economic question that has an economic solution. Every world leader and central banker in many economic forums have said that the economic situation in the USA has played a part in the world economy, so it would not be right to see Medvedev different in this just because he is Russian. It was a bad segue into a foreign policy argument.

And if he is being political, why would he "preach to the converted" at a forum of Russian financial and economic elite? If anything, it is a not so subtle reminder that the economic troubles are of shore and should be no barrier to domestic investment. Propaganda yes, but not saber rattling type everyone thinks it is.

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"Little Paul, if you want a politics debate, don't ask an economic question that has an economic solution."
that was ofcourse, because i.m.o. it was a political statement rather then an economical one. But ofcourse then, feel free to debate about the issue wheter or not this is the fact.

"Every world leader and central banker in many economic forums have said that the economic situation in the USA has played a part in the world economy, so it would not be right to see Medvedev different in this just because he is Russian."
He happened to be russias new face to the world. Thats a big difference with a central bank employee. Other world leaders is a better argument. Can you deliver me quotes/links? Not that I don't believe you but if the context and way of saying is entirely different it might be important.

""And if he is being political, why would he "preach to the converted" at a forum of Russian financial and economic elite? If anything, it is a not so subtle reminder that the economic troubles are of shore and should be no barrier to domestic investment. Propaganda yes, but not saber rattling type everyone thinks it is."
A lot of big multinationals were present and a whole load of people with diplomatic ties. Not russians alone.

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Saying "a new cold war" is overstretched
But russians do hate americans. Ever since they bought Alaska. tongue

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who doesn't, though?

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its not a new cold war yet. And it might not come that far. But its in the air so to speak.

22 (edited by juuustaaas 08-Jun-2008 20:02:50)

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Yes, I understood what you meant. But I do not believe Medvedev's rhetoric is a sign of something big to come. He's just capitalizing on USA's crappy reputation, I mean, russians like it when no one likes the US. smile So he emphasizes its weaknesses.