Topic: Challenge: Tax Code

I propose a way to see how people here would write their tax code.


I propose possibly even doing groups


Skoe, Hawaii, Key in a Liberal group
Myself, Chris, and Little Paul in a Conservative group
Zarf, Justinian, and Worstrum in a moderate group


We take a week to write a tax code system.


Major rule... you cannot post in another groups thread during design to prevent manipulation.


Ofc this requires people agree to the idea...

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

One fundamental problem with this idea: It will be impossible for anyone to construct models that say they will create a balanced budget... unless we're just re-hashing other people's ideas, at which point the brainstorming groups are useless.

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Agreed, you also need to create a certain country in order to be able to decide what is important and such...I like the concept, would be interesting to do (and also like the inclusion in one of the groups...feel special *wipes away a tear*), but think this is too difficult/not possible...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Id say set this up so that they can sugest taxation METHODS but not actual percentages, since there is no way of estimating if its balanced or not, alternative is to set up a fictual economy with simple numbewrs

LORD HELP OREGON

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

> Noir wrote:

> Id say set this up so that they can sugest taxation METHODS but not actual percentages, since there is no way of estimating if its balanced or not, alternative is to set up a fictual economy with simple numbewrs



Oooooh... I really like that idea!  We could definitely come up with a model economy fairly easily...

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

>>One fundamental problem with this idea: It will be impossible for anyone to construct models that say they will create a balanced budget...<<

WRONG i can name my revenue goal and then destroy all programs in excess of that revenue = balanced budget

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

> The Yell wrote:

> >>One fundamental problem with this idea: It will be impossible for anyone to construct models that say they will create a balanced budget...<<

WRONG i can name my revenue goal and then destroy all programs in excess of that revenue = balanced budget>

- Poverty rises.
- Meritocracy collapses, favoring those who win the sperm lottery.
- The masses become so uneducated that it makes no sense to hold elections.
- The environment gets polluted
- Crime goes up
- Corruption rises, and police demand bribes because they can't get paid enough.

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

>- Poverty rises.
- Meritocracy collapses, favoring those who win the sperm lottery.
- The masses become so uneducated that it makes no sense to hold elections.
- The environment gets polluted
- Crime goes up
- Corruption rises, and police demand bribes because they can't get paid enough.<<

Sounds like you bought the hype that government programs are the basis of life itself.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Uh oh... I hope you all realize this mean the fictional economy scenario probably won't work (largely because the model will be created to reflect the world, and fundamental disagreements on what the world looks like will inevitably mean people will attempt to create a model world which is favorable toward their input tax rate).

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Wtf are u buzzing about

LORD HELP OREGON

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Well lets take the first alternative then, lets discuss different methods

LORD HELP OREGON

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

maybe one group designs the economy for another group who design the tax system based on it, the third group acts a ref for that world building.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Uh oh... I hope you all realize this mean the fictional economy scenario probably won't work (largely because the model will be created to reflect the world, and fundamental disagreements on what the world looks like will inevitably mean people will attempt to create a model world which is favorable toward their input tax rate).

"I hope you all realize this WILL mean the fictional economy scenario probably won't work"
Sorry couldn't resist tongue

Sadly you are right though, a fictional economy would need to be created by a third independant person. The alternative would be to take an existing country (preferably a neutral country, so not the US (some of you live there), China (I live there), Europe (I think some others live there), so possibly a country like Brazil or India (both countries are rising economically). We could then examine their existing tax system as well as their needs based on past data, and then create a tax system on a whole. As it is a neutral third country, bias would be only come down to simple fundamentals, which is the point of this exercise tongue

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

I'm not a liberal...

I am sKoE
Do you know what the chain of command is here? It's the chain I go get and beat you with to show you who's in command.

15 (edited by Justinian I 07-Dec-2011 11:01:54)

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

> The Yell wrote:
Sounds like you bought the hype that government programs are the basis of life itself.>

Lets put it this way. Without government services, everything collapses. For example, business fails when there is no properly funded court system to enforce contracts. Another example, without a police system to enforce peace, trouble makers have a field day terrorizing the population. So yes, in a sense, government services are the basis of life itself.

It is fair to question the net benefit of some government services, but what you are proposing is as insane as suggesting the government disband the military, courts, or police.


___

And I'm not so sure if my tax plan would be so moderate. It would favor the professional class and small businesses, but be downright wicked to big business. My top tax bracket would be around 75%, affecting people at Buffet's level.

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

I'm sure you were taught that Justinian, but it's a lie belied by the experience of the United States itself.  Denied organized police, our small cities policed themselves.  Denied the military, our communities armed themselves.  The development of college-trained, permanent, paid police and firefighters and schoolteachers is still so recent that it is living memory.  There are people still alive who were born in states without public schools but learned to read.  You know how 24HrFitness is a private company that survives by selling subscriptions?  That's how most Americans bought education.

You mentioned contracts law as one of the "basic" needs served by government.  For the first 170 years of our Republic, every state had its own contract law.  In cases of interstate commerce, federal judges developed rules to determine which state law would apply in various situations-- the buyers, the sellers, the shippers, the insurers.  It was not until the 1950s that lawyers, law professors, retired judges and manufacturers got enough  political juice to sell the Uniform Commercial Code to various state governments, and even then, it's been adopted piecemeal.  The effort to create the basic laws of contract for the protection of commerce, came from private citizens.

Same thing with Underwriter Laboratories, that guarantees appliances are safe from electrical fire.  Same with the NAASD, that develops quality standards for metallurgy.  Same for rocketry.  Saying that it is helpful or useful for expert private sector regulation to be adopted by government and expanded nationally is one thing; saying that absent Uncle Sucker we would be apemen is ridiculous.  The American economy produced 33% of agricultural product and 70% of the steel in the world by 1890, and government services of the time would best be described as registration rather than regulation. 

We are living the results of central planning -- we declare our pride in social justice and fairness, and we'd rather wallow with 1/3 of adult Americans out of the workplace than allow some people to make a bundle embarrassing our politicians by leading us out of the wilderness.  Washington will not resolve the recession.  Washington is too concerned with seeing all their important friends make it.  They are crippling alternatives.  They are stifling economic innovation because it will not follow the appropriate political channels.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Yell,

I think you misunderstood me for meaning the Federal government. My discussion of government was generic and intended to mean local, state and federal. My point was that some services can not be provided by a private company, unless you want to argue we should contract private protection companies to protect us. If that is your view, then I will let Flint defeat it.

18 (edited by The Yell 08-Dec-2011 06:05:56)

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Contract? I prefer the traditional zombie plan of ringing a loud bell, and enrolling anybody who shows up armed, and kicking ass with the assumed authority of "Jehovah and the Continental Congress" like Abe Lincoln did

google "Vigilance Committee"

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Challenge: Tax Code

Let me defend it? Chris is capable on his own.


Btw this is where I disagree with Chris. I think the shot of a 12guage shotgun should replace the tolling bell... a way for the mortician to know he has new work....

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)