Topic: Smart Phone spycraft

I am a politician. This you all know.


Let me say this. The act of collecting data on people must cease. I am going to lay out my case in a manner that I hope appeals to Conservatives, Liberals, Undecideds and anyone else.



Data is power. With the right data you can literally know someone else more than they know themselves.



Let me make a hypothetical female for you, and break down a future of monitoring all data points on that person.


The first thing they will know is she is 25, single, but looking, makes $35,000 a year, rents, has good furniture, and her car is almost paid off.

These are the easy parts. But the data never stops there. By studying when she buys tampax they can determine when she is likely to need to purchase tampax in the future. She always buys the 24 pack, and they can determine the hour of the day she will be in the store, and what store she will be in as well. They also know a high likely percentage chance of her not having one when her period starts at work and where she will buy an over priced two tampon pack at the local store.

By studying the bread purchases, the soft drink purchases, the other foods she buys they monitor her diet and what effects minor and moderate prices range jumps will do to her. They also know if she is deficient in some vitamins or nutrients based upon her purchases. Her future predictive health will further be analyzed by her costs (since doctor records are secure they must go off the credit card costs) of her medical care.

They know her gas mileage in her car based upon when she passes watchers (devices that scan license plates) and how much she pays for gas. They know how she votes in general (and if she donates to anything).

Her searches online also show her desires and worries. Using social media they also fine tune her political desires to a tighter level and identify family (and correlate her data with family).

They know when she copies music from online illegally, they know her classes (books are purchased online), they know her probable weight (size of clothes she purchases) and that she was a late bloomer (based on bra sizes purchased since she turned 18).

They know her power consumption as well and her tax load is already printed somewhere for filing.

They will know based on future performance what she will buy in furniture, possibly what sort of house excites her, what color of clothes will attract her in a given season, and that she will love the new ginger ale flavored gums that company XYZCBA will be introducing.


They even can determine what sort of guy will likely attract her attention.


Then they decide they will choose her guy, and when she searches for a new hangout space (predicted) they set her up with their chosen guy. It was not to hard, it is statistics. They also chose to make her feel happy for now, because she does not yet make enough money for them to want to milk her, but she is going to advance, she has a fire to advance that is clear by the coursework she is taking. Then they will pitch a specific house they just bought property for her for. That and the people she will like to hang out with as well will be moved there. They plan her next car purchase, they manipulate her politics by changing a few words from the original website her her specific computer (and since she will never meet anyone with a different computer to view that specific website...). They chose which cable programming she needs with a 'custom fit choice' package that generically fits her and 10% of the population.

They know she will vote for two issues they do not like. They know that she will not change her mind regardless on one (in the midterm) and attend rallies for it if made, and they know she will not attend or vote on the other if the protests are big enough. They know how others will handle such as well. They will use her if needed to protest on the first, and use protests to deter her on the second.





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Data collection is a serious danger for society. With a high enough collection level, and a sophisticated and power enough computer, a society can be manipulated in the strongest manners. You will never realize it, you will never know you were being manipulated, and total power will go to a group much smaller than the 1%. Yes total power in the hands of a very small group.


For Conservatives... You never got told that this collection was going on. You were never told because you would have objected without enough return value. A mark down of a raised price is not reward enough for such power over you. You want millions, even billions for that. Your not some cheap sellout when the product is your very mind.


For Liberals... Your scared of the power of the 1%. What if this became the .1% only they controlled 99.9% of the wealth of the world via manipulations. What if they decided art was not needed. What if they decided that a war must occur against a nation not allowing data collection?



Data collection is getting out of control, and it is getting evil.



Last week I discovered that a small company has software in all our phones tracking us, our keystrokes, our activity levels. This is beyond the pale in my opinion.

I always have been against such collection, thus why I say Google is an evil company. I have great fears of a 1984 society via data collection and usage of the knowledge.





So here I am, I am going to try to get the IC community to mobilize with me. I want you to actually participate in trying for change. I want you to email your company you have a smart phone from, and express worries about this. I want you to email Google to do the same. I want you to also email one politician to express your worries (bonus credit for emailing more than one)


This issue cuts down any society. All sides can find common ground and reasons to unite together against this issue. Let us stop rampant data collection. PARTICIPATE!

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2 (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 06-Dec-2011 05:07:47)

Re: Smart Phone spycraft

"They will know based on future performance what she will buy in furniture, possibly what sort of house excites her, what color of clothes will attract her in a given season, and that she will love the new ginger ale flavored gums that company XYZCBA will be introducing."

Not exactly a bad thing. This sort of data collection has been going on for a very long time, and marketers have been using target niche's for decades. I also am happy that google monitor's my usage, I like targetted ads, because honestly, who likes ads for things they would never want, but at least targetted ads might actually appeal to me. If these people are able to find the PERFECT girl for me, I too am very happy with this (will save alot of awkward first dates).

The sheer amount of data on the number of people in the world would be far too much for any server farm to even begin to start full scale control of the masses as you suggest, but your concerns are valid. I am not against data collection, as it long as it is regulated in a way that it cannot be used to control people. Targeted advertisements are not controlling, they are helpful (and potentially in more ways than one. Say if a company wishes to reach at least 10000 customers with their ad campaign, they could NOT use research and force viewers to watch an hour of their ads on TV, see 50 billboard signs, as well as 3 pages in magazines. Now using market research, they are able to target people that would actually be interested and limit their advertising to 10 minutes on TV, 1 billboard sign, and only 1 page in a magazine, it saves the rest of us from seeing pointless ads. And we all hate ads!)

"Last week I discovered that a small company has software in all our phones tracking us, our keystrokes, our activity levels. This is beyond the pale in my opinion."

Your government is already doing this for EVERY phone call, SMS, E-mail, etc. Do you object to this level of monitoring if they claim it is for security purposes?

Also in places like Australia, service providers are not allowed to look at what people are using their services for unless there is a court order to do so, but they do have to keep records of this information. (I know, I worked for an ISP for a few years).

"You will never realize it, you will never know you were being manipulated"

You also try to do this yourself to get support. All politicians try to manipulate voters in order to gain votes. You have used various tactics in these forums to manipulate opinions. You can change the playing field, but manipulation will be used just the same. If manipulation is so bad, then why stop with just monitoring people's behaviours? All political advertising should be ceased (can be seen as trying to manipulate people's behaviours).

"They know when she copies music from online illegally"

I would also be interesting to discuss the legality as well as the technical details of this comment, because the ONLY way that music companies know of people downloading is when they have upload logs from other torrent users. This leads to legality issues, because often the company will hire someone to upload an mp3 and record who downloads it. Now, since the company authorised that user to upload the file, downloading no longer breaks copyright, as the company has uploaded it themselves. This is why P2P connections are used.

"Let us stop rampant data collection"

Use a secure VPN if this REALLY worries you, encrypt data, and just avoid any website that collects your information. You know that Google collects data, you still have the choice to NOT use their service. "Last week I discovered that a small company has software in all our phones tracking us" doubt this would work on ALL phones, and if it does, get an iPhone, jailbreak it, and then uninstall anything you don't want.

Most people are happy to allow data collection, I mean lets look at Facebook, how many people do you see updating their wall with "Mr X was at Ikea in 'x suburb'" with a map showing their location. Social network is in itself data collection, and most people accept and acknowledge this. But once again it comes back to personal decision, you can chose to be someone monitored, or you can take steps to be not.

Also wish to add that I am living in a place where I am more monitored than you are. There are camera's everywhere that can monitor my movements, but I feel safer for having them there. Don't see any crime on the streets here. Don't see any car accidents (although they do drive like crazy).

Just my opinion...now queue the personal attacks...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

Re: Smart Phone spycraft

Just out of curiosity where are you living?

I am sKoE
Do you know what the chain of command is here? It's the chain I go get and beat you with to show you who's in command.

Re: Smart Phone spycraft

I live in China...but from Australia

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~