You forgot yourself and Nolio were active members/supporters of that fam too.  Don't be a hypocrite, by excluding yourself.

Regardless, rules can change, and in my opinion, this is a rule for the better of new players. ...well, at least a step towards it.

However, it's going to be really hard for them to enforce.  For example, at what point do you say someone needs to be removed due to their inactivity.  Inactivity hurts a fam, if another fam targets them for raids/infiltrations etc often the fam suffers - a lot.  So, often you need to remove players yourself.  BUT ....where do you draw that line? No logins in a week?  One login a day?  Only 6 hours active a day?  It can get absurd.

I do agree with you, that the new rule post if a bit vague and some clarifications should be posted.

Things are not illegal untill there is a rule against it.

And we realise it is vague, which is why we will not block on sight in case of violation. People will be warned/asked to cease whatever it is they are doing first, and then if they continue with their actions, a block will follow.

It is also important to know that this rule requires all mods to agree something is in violation of the rule before blocks can be made, it can't randomly be used by two mods that want someone out of the way.

May I ask what mod did not agree what Baratheon was doing was wrong?

Seeing as we don't discus blocks in the forums, no.

what is there to discus?

this aint rl this is imperial conflict.... the most used excuse for people to disbehave that others shouldnt whine.

so why not make the rules simple? if things get abused u add another line. that is actually how law is created.
if u keep the law in public people can play by it. and then u can quickly see who's breaking it!

That is what we aim for issnt it? People to behave? Then why point to RL as this is exactly the way its done.
Then the judge (mods could fill this place) can stil cast their verdict, but by you making it open and clear for everyone, only then you can get the people to trust the system and play by its rules.

Just as in real life...

Do you want realy want every child or misbehaviour from the game run to the mods and point by reason of losing a planet for example, this only wil make sure the mods wil get more work, they have to check into more people. This is the only maze in this law, pritty big one.

Mods want to play dont ya? we work enuf in rl as it is. Perhaps u could let the community help build these laws, saves you even more trouble

it's not like every rule can be black or white, many yeah but not this one. this acts more as a guideline to let people know to be nice to newbies/inactives. we can leave the specific judgement up to the mod team, and i for one trust them... especially as a team. and since primo clarified that each decision needs to be agreed by the whole crew, along with there being a warning period, i think this one's clear enough.

btw testunidae, your posts would have much more merit if you can write them without including personal attacks. whats the point of accusing and abusing the volunteers who try to keep the game going?

By definition then Forever should be warned if he does this as he'd be abusing the rogue or inactive tag =p

yes indeed which is an example of how crap this is but I suppose it will only be the "SS" players or Family conflicts\clashes players who will complain they're getting unjustly treated, the inactives hopefully dont get a chance to lol

all this trouble would be solved if we had a true regular SS gal, and not stupid experiments like the last rounds in SD.
That way those SS dont have a reason to join PW or MW and ruin a family round wasting a valious slot.

Well there is a difference between killing off 1 person in your fam, and killing off your entire fam (apart from inactives) which is what Bara has done...there were alot of complaints aimed at Bara, and many complaints sent to mods...now, the only reason Bara was killing off players was because his leadership was under threat, as only inactive players voted for him. Instead of allowing the whole fam to decide the fate of the fam, active members were killed off in order to secure his leadership.

I find SS players are mostly n00bs, who actually have little experience dealing with fams, and as such are scared to deal with the fam. I for one was SS when I started playing ONLY because I was unsure how family aid worked. Then went to teams, and found no matter how much I sent, my partner wouldn't send much back (and I never like asking for aid, never sure how much is being greedy)...there is often a hatred towards SS players, but you could certainly encourage their input into the fam and show them HOW a team works together...

So in essence, killing off an inactive player would be seen as ok (i mean if you seriously never see any activity from him, kill him off)...leave SS players alone and maybe try and bring them into the fam a bit more, and let family politics play out, and you won't have any problems with the rules...play the game, don't try and dominate your fam, it's that simple