901 Reply by Fallen Angel (edited by Fallen Angel 26-Nov-2011 16:51:31)

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

LOL, the "Score" system is meaningless because it has no accommodations for deletions or a lack of members in the first place... wink

In order of true importance, I think it is unanimous that size is the true measure, then NW, then Score, the reasoning is pretty obvious... While I personally believe that score is a great concept, its actual application in a round is skewed by the fact that it isn't fair to families of different sizes etc...(as in, you shouldn't lose score for deletions), and for smaller families a different formula should be applied, (as in a higher multiplier for smaller families,etc.... (A way to give them a chance at least to get close to Top 10)... If half my fam hadn't deleted,etc, we would be Top 10 score easily...even with only 5 active members)... wink

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902 Reply by ~Wornstrum~ (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 26-Nov-2011 17:18:00)

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

> Fallen Angel wrote:

> LOL, the "Score" system is meaningless because it has no accommodations for deletions or a lack of members in the first place... wink

In order of true importance, I think it is unanimous that size is the true measure, then NW, then Score, the reasoning is pretty obvious... While I personally believe that score is a great concept, its actual application in a round is skewed by the fact that it isn't fair to families of different sizes etc...(as in, you shouldn't lose score for deletions), and for smaller families a different formula should be applied, (as in a higher multiplier for smaller families,etc.... (A way to give them a chance at least to get close to Top 10)... If half my fam hadn't deleted,etc, we would be Top 10 score easily...even with only 5 active members)... wink


All very good points...am trying to think of a way that could be calculated (might think more about it when I am not tired)...size can also be skewed by the number of players and deletes also (especially deletes...think about Killas in Pumpkins...there went 300 planets), so size itself is also a problem with deletion/starting members (maybe even more so with NW and size rankings)...

The lose of score during deletion sucks, and that should be changed, but still works better than NW and size IMO

EXAMPLE:

Score:
8     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     8868448     73040

Size:
10     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     8868448     73040

NW:
12     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     8868448     73040

They worked hard all round (were even ranked 1 on Size and NW at one point), and they lost ALOT through deletion...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

Indeed, likewise with my fam, we were not #1, but we lost a lot of planets as well due to deletion/inactivity/being killed off by some of our fam that isn't even part of our fam anymore,lol,  a bunch of decent/good players, (Colorado, Pickle, Ghey, Kpax,etc)...

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

We have DECLARED WAR on family TrueSkills (5502).


good luck both sides


rofl tongue

Been dreaming, I've been waiting, To fly with those brave ponies
The Wonderbolts, their daring tricks, Spinning 'round and having kicks
Perform for crowds of thousands, They'll shower us with diamonds
The Wonderbolts will see me right here at the Gala!

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

Just noticed...(not that it means anything, but still pretty funny, we didn't even save for anymore than 3-4 days)...

Rank       Family       Planets       Networth       Score
1     Slashers (5503) [48,88]     3603     111697552     191136
2     Bosh (5496) [37,90]     3313     81016702     169308

3     Vets and Noobs Unite! (5493) [30,76]     1132     37083078     53265

4     NES Galactic Inc. (5494) [38,53]     1835     34078746     107972
5     Lightening (5499) [95,68]     2100     22575003     102944

AOD~EOD~TDO~

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

> Fallen Angel wrote:

> Just noticed...(not that it means anything, but still pretty funny, we didn't even save for anymore than 3-4 days)...

Rank       Family       Planets       Networth       Score
1     Slashers (5503) [48,88]     3603     111697552     191136
2     Bosh (5496) [37,90]     3313     81016702     169308

3     Vets and Noobs Unite! (5493) [30,76]     1132     37083078     53265

4     NES Galactic Inc. (5494) [38,53]     1835     34078746     107972
5     Lightening (5499) [95,68]     2100     22575003     102944

I saw that and thought "sweet jeebus"...am waiting to see what 5499 throws out...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

hahaha... 99 spent all they had on fleet when 96 declared war tongue So no savings for us wink

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches tongue

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

99 dont need to jump they allready proved they deserve the no3 spot imo

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

I thought 99 were potential winners at the start...their starting location presented with no early threats, any potential threats are easily noticed, and agreed, they played well all round and held on to 3rd spot for ages...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

Final standings:

SCORE:

Rank       Family       Planets       Networth       Score
1     Slashers (5503) [48,88]     3603     111680597     191136
2     Bosh (5496) [37,90]     3318     80764494     169308
3     NES Galactic Inc. (5494) [38,53]     1835     33926272     107972
4     Lightening (5499) [95,68]     2100     22649726     102944
5     Seriously Ixed Mup (5504) [33,24]     1226     21144525     85228
6     Disgruntled Family (5505) [1,90]     1001     17416591     77867
7     Tonights Weather Forecast (5495) [66,47]     1363     14682548     74867
8     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     9849645     73040
9     Corn and Soybeans(also farmed) (5491) [100,16]     795     12657961     71261
10     Follow The White Rabbit (5497) [3,64]     1182     15687183     62062
11     Vets and Noobs Unite! (5493) [30,76]     1132     37082566     53265
12     TrueSkills (5502) [23,65]     897     10024794     47575
13     Put a shit in your life! (5500) [16,23]     787     6359901     42372
14     Hungry Dogs (5498) [14,100]     598     5604477     38854
15     Hi Hater~-_- (5492) [13,33]     579     8809985     38232
16     The Jetsons (5501) [100,5]     133     1778163     14621

NETWORTH:

Rank       Family       Planets       Networth       Score
1     Slashers (5503) [48,88]     3603     111680597     191136
2     Bosh (5496) [37,90]     3318     80764494     169308
3     Vets and Noobs Unite! (5493) [30,76]     1132     37082566     53265
4     NES Galactic Inc. (5494) [38,53]     1835     33926272     107972
5     Lightening (5499) [95,68]     2100     22649726     102944
6     Seriously Ixed Mup (5504) [33,24]     1226     21144525     85228
7     Disgruntled Family (5505) [1,90]     1001     17416591     77867
8     Follow The White Rabbit (5497) [3,64]     1182     15687183     62062
9     Tonights Weather Forecast (5495) [66,47]     1363     14682548     74867
10     Corn and Soybeans(also farmed) (5491) [100,16]     795     12657961     71261
11     TrueSkills (5502) [23,65]     897     10024794     47575
12     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     9849645     73040
13     Hi Hater~-_- (5492) [13,33]     579     8809985     38232
14     Put a shit in your life! (5500) [16,23]     787     6359901     42372
15     Hungry Dogs (5498) [14,100]     598     5604477     38854
16     The Jetsons (5501) [100,5]     133     1778163     14621

SIZE:

Rank       Family       Planets       Networth       Score
1     Slashers (5503) [48,88]     3603     111680597     191136
2     Bosh (5496) [37,90]     3318     80764494     169308
3     Lightening (5499) [95,68]     2100     22649726     102944
4     NES Galactic Inc. (5494) [38,53]     1835     33926272     107972
5     Tonights Weather Forecast (5495) [66,47]     1363     14682548     74867
6     Seriously Ixed Mup (5504) [33,24]     1226     21144525     85228
7     Follow The White Rabbit (5497) [3,64]     1182     15687183     62062
8     Vets and Noobs Unite! (5493) [30,76]     1132     37082566     53265
9     Disgruntled Family (5505) [1,90]     1001     17416591     77867
10     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     9849645     73040
11     TrueSkills (5502) [23,65]     897     10024794     47575
12     Corn and Soybeans(also farmed) (5491) [100,16]     795     12657961     71261
13     Put a shit in your life! (5500) [16,23]     787     6359901     42372
14     Hungry Dogs (5498) [14,100]     598     5604477     38854
15     Hi Hater~-_- (5492) [13,33]     579     8809985     38232
16     The Jetsons (5501) [100,5]     133     1778163     14621

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

yup hats off to 99  smile

Been dreaming, I've been waiting, To fly with those brave ponies
The Wonderbolts, their daring tricks, Spinning 'round and having kicks
Perform for crowds of thousands, They'll shower us with diamonds
The Wonderbolts will see me right here at the Gala!

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

inactivity wornstrum. we had 3-4 players who lasted the entire round active. and WL had a lot of work to deal with. we had james random in part way through, awesome addition, 2 SS'ers, 1 rogue and TBO(says it all). if buts and maybes, had a great round, loads of fun! gonna have to give up attacking now Uni is demanding all my time sad

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

score > networth > size

wrong way round score means nothing, never has never will smile besides this is spam i made a rankings thread allready!

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

8     Last Days of the Pumpkins (5506) [39,69]     932     9849645     73040


Im happy with that smile

Been dreaming, I've been waiting, To fly with those brave ponies
The Wonderbolts, their daring tricks, Spinning 'round and having kicks
Perform for crowds of thousands, They'll shower us with diamonds
The Wonderbolts will see me right here at the Gala!

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915 Reply by ~Wornstrum~ (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 26-Nov-2011 18:27:16)

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

> Lee wrote:

> score > networth > size

wrong way round score means nothing, never has never will smile besides this is spam i made a rankings thread allready!

Posted at pretty much the same time...just sayin tongue

Also I am not sold on the Score thing, as I said earlier, it is able to show a more general idea of performance throughout the round...Pumpkins deserve a much higher ranking than 10(size) and 12(NW) because they were a high ranking team for a large portion of the round...I still feel it's a better indicator, at least until someone can prove otherwise...next possibly Size, only because fleet jumps at the end is just a last minute effort to boost NW (won't have much reflection on Score I might point out)

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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916 Reply by Funeral (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 29-Nov-2011 04:43:58)

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

the guy we sent all our aid to didnt even build anything. [blam] sake

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917 Reply by Lee

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lol thats what happens when u rely on lusters

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

lol luster is noob.

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

wow lol

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

Score was instituted because guys like PP would be winning for most of the round, and then lose both size AND NW to some late round war.

He'd then come bitching in uni about how his fam "undisputedly won the round", in spite of the fact that he DIDN'T.

Imagine if that was instituted in professional sports. If first place didn't go to the team with the most wins, but to the team that was in first place for the longest period of time. It's ridiculous.

Worrrrrrrrrrrrrrd

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haha touche!

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I posted a way to change score formula doing it more reasonible and real, posted in ideas long ago but I think a mod closed it for the many times I bumped. Most people agreed on the idea but not enuf for the mod team, never enuf, ideas thread 'was' my highest waste of time across the years sad

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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

> Timmyville wrote:

> Score was instituted because guys like PP would be winning for most of the round, and then lose both size AND NW to some late round war.

He'd then come bitching in uni about how his fam "undisputedly won the round", in spite of the fact that he DIDN'T.

Imagine if that was instituted in professional sports. If first place didn't go to the team with the most wins, but to the team that was in first place for the longest period of time. It's ridiculous.


Not as ridiculous as it would seem...in sports, if they were leading all the way through the sport, they WOULD be considered a good team.

If the sport was a 10km run, and one guy was leading throughout the whole race, and in the last 500m he trips, his tripping causes him to lose the race sure, but everyone would still consider him to be the better racer at the next race due to his dominance at this race.

Football, a team leads throughout the whole round, and then in the final games they lose due to 3-4 of their KEY players being injured. It handicaps the team, but everyone would still be thinking that the team with injuries would be the better team because they weren't at key strength.

F1, they work on a points based system on who won/consistantly scored high all round...not who scrambles together at the end of the season...

Even in sports, a lose at the finish line may not deter people's opinions on who won, even Lee mentioned before that he considered 99 to be 3rd dispite what happened at the end. It actually comes down to feelings from other players really.

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Re: ~Pinwheel round 66 PvC~

> Alundra wrote:

> We have DECLARED WAR on family TrueSkills (5502).


good luck both sides


rofl tongue

lmao u did?

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