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I heard this a lot in the start of the Occupy Movement. I even had Occupy people tell me that there were few differences between the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement.


After a LOT of searching I discovered there were arrests of people identified as Tea Party members. 10 were arrested when the health care bill was being prepared to be voted on for trying to read the bill in front of Pelosi's office.

Other than those peacefully arrested individuals there was no other arrests I could find where the arrested was actually a Tea Party person.

Our numbers also on just one event... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8 was incredible. Tea Partys have spung up in all major cities and most minor cities.

Given the numbers involved that there has been no violence from the Tea Party is remarkable.



Now to the Occupy Movement

A twitter feed purporting to travk arrests http://twitter.com/OccupyArrests
A major arrest here http://patdollard.com/2011/11/total-number-of-occupy-arrests-tops-3000/
A source documenting some of the violence and rapes in the camps http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/2011/10/occupy-violence-and-sexual-assaults-on-the-rise-fringe-media-remains-silent-on-the-issues-while-praising-occupiers/
Fox News article about rapes http://nation.foxnews.com/wall-street-protests/2011/11/02/now-silent-occupy-wall-st-sex-assaults
A video about my home city's protest http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31993


I could go on for pages about the violence, the rapes, the theft, the vandalism and more...

But that would alter the subject.


The Tea Party wants to be taxed less and for a less intrusive government. The occupy crowd wants... student loans forgiven...

How could anyone compare the two groups? One has a few thousand, the other has many millions. One has violence and crimes galore, the other has *crickets*... one group made a landslide election change happen and the other is now hurting their own agenda...



There is no comparison at all. We, the Tea Party, want less government and they the occupiers want more giverment (misspelling on purpose). Fail on any who try to associate us as similar.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is the Left's Tea Party?

no..... unless your saying that democrats are 99% of america, this is a protest on corperations, and from what i see are a bunch of pissed of teenagers that don't have any solutions but just want people to knowthey are pissed about something tongue

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I am making sure people know the differences,

I want no false claims!

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Part is good, part is false. I don't care * where they come from.

As long as it doesn't lead to more gov spending, or more regulation, cause there it stops for me. I agree tough they should radically change regulation to something better but that would be 1% chance with the current gov.

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Neither side knows the specifics of what they want.

Only difference is that the Occupy movement will benefit more people, whereas everyone will acknowledge that the Tea Party movement would benefit the rich.

Worrrrrrrrrrrrrrd

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Bullcrap Timmyville.

I KNOW WHAT I WANT! As does the Tea Party. We want less taxes, a smaller government (such as removal of the Education Department, mass firings at the EPA, closing the Urban and Housing Dept., and more), less regulations, and less overlapping laws. We also want States Rights to be forefront again.

These policies will enrich everyone, not just some faceless rich dude.

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There is a period of mass-socio-economic transition happening, the effects of this transition are multifaceted, resulting in suffering in all segments of all societies of all nations.

The prime cause of these ill-effects of this transition is a combination of erroneous precepts of various intellectual theories of various academic disciplines; precepts that we erroneously incorporated into our collective unconscious frameworks as truths apparent, truths upon which we have formed the basis of our various systems of government, finance, production, distribution, education, media - everything.

Ironically, it is only the inter-disciplinarians, those most ostracized, ignored, and oppressed by our 'specialists' society that can understand what is going on and can predict the best course of action for us to take.

In my honest opinion, transformative (I would go as far as to say 'transcendental' even) innovation of our systems of governance, finance, production, distribution, education, media and everything will be necessary to save our species.

Luckily, I think we have 40 - 100 years to sort it out and believe we will be able to do it.

We all thought establishing a global utopia was impossible; but now it is becoming increasingly apparent that establishing a global Utopia is essential to the survival of our species.  If we continue to believe that establishing a global utopia is impossible and yet also see it as necessary to the survival of our species, we enter into social anarchy and nihilism; thus our only choice is to believe it is possible and thus strive to establish it.

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Just when I thought the Tea Party was full of extremists, Occupy Wall Street came along. What do I see?

1. Marxists
2. Anarchists
3. Postmodernists
4. Direct Democracy-ists
5. The most retarded protest signs

and other idiots.

Occupy Wallstreet makes the Tea Party look reasonable. Hell, I would even prefer Flint as King over the rabble that makes up Occupy Wall Street. I am not kidding either.

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Part of the transcendental / transformational innovation of our society will include, I bet, the realization that no "King" - or any other figurative leader - "over the rabble" is even really necessary.

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> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Part of the transcendental / transformational innovation of our society will include, I bet, the realization that no "King" - or any other figurative leader - "over the rabble" is even really necessary.>

I demand to be ruled by elites with the expertise to rule, not imbeciles. The advantage of "democracy" is that there tends to be much more transparency and accountability among the elite than other government types. But NEVER, will I support direct democracy.

Anyway, I was just saying that the rule of Flint is preferable to majority rule.

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"I demand to be ruled by elites with the expertise to rule, not imbeciles"

So if the current government (as current rulers over you) decided that your opinion was wrong, would you drop it?

"I was just saying that the rule of Flint is preferable to majority rule."

Isn't the voting system in democratic countries setup to be "majority rule"?

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Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.

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Majority does not mean entirety, the fact that a minority are able to express their opinion is a testiment to democratic ideals...it by no way "harms" the political principle of the US...

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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Wornstrum,

Theoretically, most "democracies" are nominally representative democracies. While elected officials are considered representatives, the reality is that the relevant political positions are effectively restricted to competition by the elite members of society. There are exceptions, but they are exceptions that prove the rule. As a result, there is some measure of meritocracy among the elite who compete to gain the people's favor, and the Liberal institutions in the democracy guarantee that elites in democratic countries are much more accountable.

The advantage of "democracy" is not that the people rule, but that the elite are more accountable to the people. I fail to see how the "majority rule" and "people power" hypothesis is or ever was reflective of the political realities of democratic governments.

Additionally, I am strongly opposed to an active, participatory democracy. That would result in such tyranny... I can't imagine it being any better than living under Ghadaffi. Moreover, popular revolutions (as opposed to elite revolutions like the US Revolutionary War), tend to have nasty outcomes like the French and Russian revolutions.

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Define our elite, Justinian, will you?

From my perspective, they are unintelligent, unimaginative, un-innovative, self-serving rather than community-serving, unethical, corrupt, errant in their belief-sets, and, ultimately, suffering from a near pathological form of group-think involving precepts of neoclassicism, neo-malthusianism, neo-social darwinism, which ultimately results in the sociopathicism of our institutions...

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> Einstein wrote:

> Bullcrap Timmyville.

I KNOW WHAT I WANT! As does the Tea Party. We want less taxes, a smaller government (such as removal of the Education Department, mass firings at the EPA, closing the Urban and Housing Dept., and more), less regulations, and less overlapping laws. We also want States Rights to be forefront again.

These policies will enrich everyone, not just some faceless rich dude.




Less taxes: How much less?

Smaller government: How much smaller, where would the cuts come from, and by how much?

Less regulations: Pretty general.

States Rights being forefront: Also general.



By extension, the Occupy Wall Street movement has just as vague a platform. On both sides there will be people who know what they want, but both movements are based more on generalities than on specifics.

"More regulations", "bigger government", etc.

Worrrrrrrrrrrrrrd

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Oh I can give specifics. Federal taxes should be between 14% to 20% and flat, aka the same for all.

We have many specifics.

Cross border pollution standard.. KILL IT.

Hell kill off 90% of the jobs at the EPA, revert it to 1980 level regulations, and the 10% are to make sure those regulations are followed.

I can give specifics. Not one of you liberals wants to hear them though, and you never remember them.

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don't eat or drink while watching this

http://teamcoco.com/video/triumph-occupy-wall-st

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> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uRCAp1zXCDg/TrLrRF7N_VI/AAAAAAAAD0U/NZvmfvUweBg/s1600/media-coverage-teaparty-ows-media-bias-politics-1320208722.jpg

Einstein's OP (look at how awful the Occupy! movement is, look at how angelic the Tea Party is) didn't just magically pop into his head.  It isn't just a product of his reading fringe right-wing blogs and listening to talk radio either.  There has been plenty of vitriol towards the Occupy! movement coming from the mainstream media.  Sure, some support, but they haven't been especially friendly.  And there certainly isn't the sort of free advertising for Occupy! events that the media gave to many of the larger Tea Party rallies.

The really ironic thing is that the caricature of an Occupier in your cartoon is completely at odds with what you'd experience in virtually any of the occupations throughout the country.  Go visit.  You'll see what I mean.

But it's the misleading caricature that many prominent figures in the media are pushing.  I guess that's what "liberal bias" means.

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