McCain i think will go with romney, thompson is a very likely possibility too but i think romney will be picked, it was bound to happen ever since he left

i think zarf you're wrong, hillary would've been and should've been VP before her speech last night, the fact that she didn't drop out, or the fact that she didn't even acknowledge the win, means she's still a little bitch and thinks she has to get the nomination no matter what,

i like the idea of obama and richardson, that's not a bad idea,

yes it is harder, but her being part of one of the most famous political families should know that she lost, her not accepting it has just made obama more angry, yesterday was his night, he gave one of the most influential and BEST speeches of our time, it was simply [pedometer]ing amazing, and any one catch mccains??? there were 20 people in the room, who hollered and shouted stuff while he was talking, mccain had to stop and smirk every minute or two, to get some claps, and the audience didn't even do it on que, they did like 5 seconds after they figured out he had stopped talking, his points were HORRIBLE, absolutely pathetic, he couldn't read the teleprompter properly, and his speech was just simply garbage!
while obama's rally was well run, 18,000 people in the arena, 15,000 people outside the arena, WHEN is the last time you've seen such a gathering for a political figure, who is not even in his general election yet, it's primaries lol

anyways back to the clinton topic, if clinton had dropped out last night, and said "i loose, obama wins, we both tried, we're both great candidates, let's unite the party and get the repubs out of the white house" i would have praised her, and she would've earned her way onto the VP seat, obama would be pressured then, he's already been pressure A LOT, since a week ago, that's been going on, by her staying in the race, she ruined it for her, and she took A LOT more away from obama's win, it was like she spat on it, it was a sort of slap to his face, cuz instead of now people talking about obama's victory they started talking about clinton, which takes  A LOT away from obama and the democrats

i think obama will ignore her from now on, cuz she really pissed just about every obama supported, democrat, and superdelegate whether a clinton supporter or obama, all the superdelegates must be sitting there saying that clinton has just gone too far,

"By the way, I hate this quoting system in the IC forums."

me too

i think that Hillary is alienating moderates with her actions, democrats will vote for Obama over McCain, he needs to get the moderates and Hillary isnt the right VP for it. i know i wont vote for him if Hillary is his VP while right now im considering it.

> Gladiator wrote:

> "-2: The quality of speeches is really subjective, so let's not even get into that.  You and I look at "quality" by different lenses, so trying to argue this point would be a clash of civilizations."

it's not the speeches i'm really getting at, i'm getting at the setup, the organization, the thought, of the campaigns and the candidates, and that counts for a lot, as if a candidate can't even handle to organize to bring a campaign together and get everyone's input and make it the best damn event ever, than how do you excpect them to get the white house and country organized and make it best for everyone

That's a horrible analogy.  Running an election campaign has some qualities of resemblance to running a government, but only in terms of personal management.  By that logic, the Backstreet Boys would have had cabinent positions in 2000. 

"-Fair enough, it's a pretty big group.  But, to be frank, numbers of supporters aren't all that matters in an election."
LOL i think that came out wrong, right? number of supporters don't matter? that is how you win an election with the most supporters lol..i'll forgive you for that

Nope, you don't need to forgive me.  That came out exactly as you read it, word for word.  Now to back myself up:
1: You can have plenty of supporters, but if they're burnt out by the time November comes along, they won't come to the polls anyway.
2: Money is a big issue.  The one who controls the money controls the perceptions of each candidate.  I think the best example of this would be Bush v. Kerry, in which Kerry was forced to play defense for a good portion of the election.
3: Political tactics.  An interesting phenomena occurred during the 2004 election: at the same day as the presidential election, a number of states were voting on state constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage.  That drove a huge amount of people to the polls, who also happened to favor Bush over Kerry.
4: Demographics.  It's not enough to just have people like you.  I know, this is odd, but you need to have the RIGHT people like you.  Let me explain:
Here's an imaginary scenario.  Imagine a primary in which candidates X and Y are both trying to get the nomination to face candidate Z in the general election.  Picture this as a projection made by a study analyzing how two candidates, X and Y, would do in five state, A, B, C, D, and E, all of which have the same population.
State                Candidate X                   Candidate Y
A                      100%                            51%
B                      100%                            51%
C                      49%                             51%
D                      49%                             51%
E                       49%                             0%

Now, who did better?  Who should be picked, assuming these projections prove to be true in November?  Candidate Y.  Not because he had the most supporters, but because he had the RIGHT supporters.

While having lots of supporters is fine and dandy, there's alot more to it than that.

> but my point was not only that, it was also that obama's supporters are ready to do a lot for him, he can gather the crowds, he excites his voters, his voters can wait outside in the cold for him, that is a great deal and this hasn't happened for a LONG LONG LONG time, mccains supporters can't, it almost seems like they're voting just for the party name not the man or his values

1: What's wrong with voting for a political philosophy rather than voting on a person on a personality basis?
2: Still a long time until November.
3: There's a difference between someone coming to listen to you give a speech and someone going to help with the campaign.  Listening to a speech is a leisurely activity for one's own pleasure.  Helping out with the campaign, while enjoyable, is generally considered work.
4: Only another reason why Obama should ask Clinton to get on the ticket.  He can rally people behind a cause, as long as he reaches out to them.  He could unite the Dems by extending his hand to Clinton.  It doesn't matter that she lost anymore.  If she truly did lose by now (which is pretty much guaranteed), then an extended hand would unite the party.  If she doesn't think she lost, then there's still a fight going on and you shouldn't write her off just yet because there would still have to be a way for her to win the election.

"Doesn't matter.  She still has supporters.  As long as she has a significant amount of loyalists, she can screw him up regardless.  Pretending a bully isn't there doesn't do Obama a damn bit of good, regardless of what everyone's elementary school teachers said."

it's not like the people that voted her, are her slaves lol, they're not stay with her even if she loses, sure there'll be what a couple hundred, maybe a thousand or two, even if  a bit more, the other millions aren't guna vote mccain, change their beliefs completely, suddenly support iraq, suddenly oppose tax hikes and universal health care, and the independent candidate is only nader, he is not guna win..absolutely not , if another cadidate joins there might be a "little" more to worry but honestly, if clinton does something stupid even if she isn't handed the VP, the clinton legacy will be demolished, it will come down faster than lightning, and bill will not at any cost let that happen

I never said the Clinton supporters would vote for McCain.  I said they would stay home and not give a damn about either McCain or Obama, because your guy screwed up their hopes for the election by winning.  Obama demoralized the Clinton camp.  They don't HAVE to go out and vote for either Obama or McCain.

And remember, if Clinton isn't given the vice presidency, she'll be relegated to spending 4 more years minimum in the senate, with her name and the legacy of her husband slowly fading into the past, so your whole thing about doing "something stupid" would happen anyway now, unless she was given the VP slot.

mcCain will pick romney
obama will pick richardson and appoint john edwards as attorney general

richardson has the qualifications

Bill" Richardson III (born November 15, 1947) is the current Governor of New Mexico and was a candidate for the 2008 Democratic Party nomination for President of the United States. He was involved in several diplomatic efforts as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and afterwards. He emphasized foreign policy issues during his Presidential run. He has previously served as a U.S. Representative, Ambassador to the United Nations, and as the U.S. Secretary of Energy.[1] He was chairman of the 2004 Democratic National Convention as well as Chairman of the Democratic Governors Association in 2005 and 2006, overseeing the Democrats' re-capturing of a majority of the country's governorships. Richardson has been recognized for negotiating the release of hostages, American servicemen, and political prisoners in North Korea, Iraq, and Cuba.

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