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I don't like being pigeonholed but I reckon I would be described as a "leftist" and I would not say "what's the difference?". Diving on the grenade was a very brave thing to do, although I still have no respect for him because he joined the army in the first place, which in my eyes does not rank him any higher than a murderer.
I think you are (possibly deliberately) missing the point as to why terrorism gets onto the front pages. It is not out of reverence, or respect for the bravery of the terrorists, which is what you are suggesting otherwise your comparison is wrong. More, it is out of sadness for the innocent lives lost in the attacks. Also note that during the 9/11 attacks the hijacked plane which was brought down in a field when the passengers fought back against the hijackers was right there with the big stories of the day even in comparison to the WTC attacks where thousands died.
Soldiers don't kill unarmed civialians, that would be terriost, right now our soldiers are helping protect those that are in the country and praise the fact that someone is risking their lives to help protect them.
As I read the original post I was nodding in agreement whilst thinking of way to contribute; you know, something like some other examples of selfless heroism by soldiers, police, firemen and even Joe Public, and maybe even divulge some of the feelings such acts make me feel, about myself, about the world, and more importantly how such acts give me some hope regarding the future of Man.
Then I read this:
"Leftists will say, "Hey, what is the difference." That each one gave their life for a cause.
I will say, that one wastes their life away in some demented brainwashed act of idiocy.
The other, given the choice of all being severely injured or killed, or being killed to save his buddies, chooses to sacrifice himself to save the others."
Great job, I don't think you could have dishonoured the poor bastard's memory any more if you had tried to; and from you, of all people, the man who goes thermonuclear everytime the leftwing even look like they are about to use a soldiers death for their own political ends.
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And now, in the spirit of the original post:
It gladens my heart to hear of this soldier laying down his life to save his friends, of the self sacrifice of one for the good of the many; for what further proof do you need that deep down we are all Communists?
It's also possible he tripped while trying to be the first one out of the vehicle.
"Soldiers don't kill unarmed civialians"
How has this whopper slipped the net of the last two posters?
Yes, A leftist would view it as me dishonoring the supreme sacrafice of one of his own deed to save a few.
As to a few other boneheads in this thread....its like entertainment to watch a few make asses of themselves in such a thread.
To expose themsleves as complete idiots, and they think themselves just so smart and full of wit.
Good job dummies.
/me salute PFC Ross. Thank you.
they dont its easy to say civilians have been killed when their mates just take or hide their ak's they were firing before they got shot 
its all propaganda 
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"Soldiers don't kill unarmed civialians, that would be terriost, right now our soldiers are helping protect those that are in the country and praise the fact that someone is risking their lives to help protect them."
ROFL... my god... under wich rock did they find you? Have you forgotten Vietnam now allready? The bastards from America killed thousands of innocent civillians with no weapons. And in every war many many innocent civilians die.
America has the best weapons on the world. They can hit a musquito with a laserguided rocket... but they can't hit the huge building and hit instead of the main target the school... rofl so many innocent little kids dead.
Don't talk shit please!
And yes somehow Soldiers are murderers... none has the right to judge who has to die and who can stay alive. But soldiers are needed. Someone needs to protect others... and sometimes you have to shoot to complete that goal.
For myself, I wanna join the army. Not cuz I can shoot people. But I wanna help countries. I wanna help with building up the shit America created. I wanna go there and help protecting the workers who are busy to construct a school. If I have to fight to achief that... I will moan the deaths I cause... but sometimes it can't be avoided.
So if that makes me a murderer... I will accept that. Cuz I know I work for a bigger cause.
Nice interpretation, actually...
U.S soldiers didn't kill vietnamese civilians intentionally though.
IGP... they did...
Why would you take the soldiers of Vietnam and compare them to the soldiers in Iraq? That's like comparing the soldiers in WWI to the soldiers in WWII. They're starkly different in place and time, as well as relative ideals and technology.
So not true.
The soldiers in vietnam and the ones now in Iraq are quite the same. At least they still use the same standard assault rifle 
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It doesn't matter to wich war you look. In every war innocent people die.
And the ideals are still the same. More control, more ground, more resources. It is always the same and it will always stay the same.
"The soldiers in vietnam and the ones now in Iraq are quite the same"
They must have a very good condition then.
"At least they still use the same standard assault rifle ."
lol
"It doesn't matter to wich war you look. In every war innocent people die."
The second sentence hold some truth but the first one is complete nonsence. You simply can't compare them directly. Indirectly maybe. Americans who live now don't have to justify what people did to the indians neither should they take credit for liberating europe.(unless they were there ofcourse). Thats what you get when you see the country as one person and not its inhabitants.
"And the ideals are still the same. More control, more ground, more resources. It is always the same and it will always stay the same."
You want to join the army... Are you a dutchy? Cause they fought/fight in afghanistan. Folowing your own reasoning, that can't be a good thing
I've seen a lot of pro and cons here when it comes to war but you are the most contradictive I've ever met. cngrts
/me knods.
I would also like to state the fact that this is a memorial type thread.
You Pro-run and hide types need to find another thread.
/me salutes PFC Ross McGinnis, and thanks from a greatful nation.
hehehee check my post before and you will see why I wanna go into the army .
and lol yeah not the same soldiers . Just newly trained ones... rofl would be imba if the same soldiers in vietnam are now in iraq .
And what you say is not true... maybe it were your forefathers who killed all the Indians... it is not fair to say I had nothing to do with it... that is just washing your hands clean from blood.
The Dutchies were bastards too, we killed entire villages for some herbs... and we know that. We still pay our former colonies. First they made money... now we they cost money. But do we pull back our hands? No, because that would be a low action.
And America had benefits to help Europe to get rid of the nazis. Otherwise they wouldn't have helped. Just wait till the top secret files come free. U will hate your gouvernement (of that time). They send ferries into dangerous zones (where normally no ferries are at all) so the German subs could take them down.
Blergh don't start about things like that. America only helped Europe for their own good. (not that I am not gratefull, my god thnx to WWII and the Marshall Plan, the Netherlands became one of the richests countries in the world)
So thnx for that btw
"And what you say is not true... maybe it were your forefathers who killed all the Indians..."
Non of my forefathers lived in the us at that time so I doubt it. I live in Belgium btw.
"it is not fair to say I had nothing to do with it... that is just washing your hands clean from blood."
No its not. You are not responsible for what people did in the past. That doesn't mean I aprove of those actions. But I did not started them, neither intended to, neither did I get any chance to stop them.
"The Dutchies were bastards too, we killed entire villages for some herbs... and we know that."
you can learn from it. But its not your mistake because you happen to live inside a certain teritory. As I said, a country is not an identity of itself. Its a certain area in wich a certain groop of people live.
I haven't joined the military nor will ever join the military (as a combatant) because I have never been convinced that the causes for which my country's military fights are causes for which I would consciously make the ultimate sacrifice. But what about those already in the military? Are they convinced the causes for which their national leaders and military leadership put them in harm's way are, in fact, just causes? How do they know, exactly? Or do they not need to be convinced? Do they just join without reflecting on the issues? Or do they go about their military careers denying the possibility that they will ever have to sacrifice their lives? Is there a question on the recruitment application of something to the effect of, 'Explain in detail your personal rationale for why you are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice?' Before they sign, do they know that when a grenade clinks on the floor at their feet, they will AUTOMATICALLY throw themselves on it because they will have been trained to do so? I'd really appreciate answers to these questions by any military people on the forum.
I wont join the military because it is against my politics. I am a Welsh Patriot & therefore I will not join the British Armed Forces. (Welsh troops also happen to have the highest proportional losses in most wars Britain gets involved in)
A friend of mine has joined the Royal Navy & I started to talk to him about Prince William & Harry who are in the armed forces & he starts going all 'no comment' on me & 'im not paid to talk politics' attitude. Is it me or is it a requirment that all those in the armed forces HAVE to be unflinchingly loyal & unquestioning to authority? its turning our troops into mindless robots, who in some cases seem to disregard the Geneva convention etc.
> Black_Wing wrote:
> Yes, A leftist would view it as me dishonoring the supreme sacrafice of one of his own deed to save a few.<
Are you accusing me of writing what I wrote for political reasons? I dare you to insult me like that again.
Look at you, you get caught doing something you have publicly rallied against many times on this forum, and you try to brush it under that carpet rather than admit your mistake, you try to play some idiotic political game rather than take responsibility for what is, in your own words, a dispicable and dishonouring act.
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It's a good thing you have a daughter because your example certainly would not create a man.
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Can we close this thread now? It is being dragged wildly off topic.
"maybe it were your forefathers who killed all the Indians... it is not fair to say I had nothing to do with it"
But I didn't have anything to do with it. Even if it were my forefathers I was not born, there was nothing I could do either way so why should I be held accountable. If a man commits murder and kills himself do we arrest his children?
On Topic: I greatly respect the man for the sacrifice he made and offer my condolences to his family.
Cocanut, if you want to help people why don't you join the police force? If you want to save lives why don't you become a fire fighter or a paramedic? If you have the grades why not become a doctor? These are the jobs of people who help others and who save lives and there is never any chance of you becoming involved in something you don't agree with which may be due to politics.
EmperorHez, where are the figures for the proportional losses of English/Scots/Welsh/Irish forces? And is there a breakdown for the modern era or war by war? Just to clarify, I'm not trying to attack your viewpoint, I'm just curious.
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