omg, if i had expected anything to be dieing it wouldnt be the EU

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There is only one solution. Destroy all unions. There can be no compromise.

Edit: Greece also needs an independent press to expose corruption. And the reason why unions must die is because unions are barriers to efficiency. Your economy stagnates when productivity can not be increased because workers can not be sacrificed in favor of new technology, which is one of the most serious problems Europeans have. Thus the only solution for economic growth is immigration. Personally, I prefer economic growth from increased outputs from technology, and a free education system that redistributes labor efficiently.

your workers or ours?

it will come down to whether germans and french think they're europeans or not.  if they are, they'll suffer to pay

When the criminal element has more control of the legislature, then of course the state will bleed dry.

The Chinese will bail out the EU

Greece will not be the end of the EU though, not even the Euro.

Ahhh, good point BiefstukFriet!  Very good point indeed.
Oho!

Hellas is the mother of Western civilization. Yet you non-Greek Euros have inflicted or been complicit with enough injustices suffered by the Greeks already. You are indebted to them beyond what this "bail out" requires. First you injure them in the Crusades. Then you refuse to relieve them at the gates of Constantinople. Then you hesitate in the Greek Revolution. Then, you GUARANTEE that the Greeks fail to retake Constantinople and Anatolia (and the Russians prior). Then you let Turkey occupy northern Cyprus. Then you consider letting Turkey enter the European Union, while ignoring Turkey's genocides. Then you let Macedonia (a country not even geographically located in the ancient Macedonian kingdom of Alexander the Great, whose population is composed of slavs) get away with robbing Greek history. Now, you are complaining about lending a small portion of the money you owe to... your mother?

Know what I think? It's not hard to infer.

Justinian, that's a weak argument, an' not even all that true.  Historians agree that Greece is not th' root o' our civilisation.  We borrowed a lot o' them, but thar's not really a continuity.  The sharks will eat well tonight!  And swab the deck! It's like th' Mexicans o' today an' th' Mayans/Aztecs; or - oh irony - th' slavic scallywags now livin' in th' FYROM, I'll warrant ye. 

I'm all fer supportin' Greece through this period o' hardship though.

The Greeks haven't done anything useful for about 2000 years, they need to stop trying to ride on their pre-0 BC coat tails and sort their shit.

Not for 2000 years? Not since BC?

The Greeks safeguarded Europe from Muslim armies for hundreds of years. It was only defeated because of the treachery and pride of your feudal elites. The Muslims could have been defeated in Egypt, for example, but your treacherous and stupid feudal lords in the Crusader states... that and don't get me started on the Fourth Crusade.

Yes, bloody Frenchies didn't participate in the Battle of Vienna in 1683, because of their stupid feuds with the HRE. They deserve contempt for that, but their saving grace is the Battle of Tours.

Not only that, but the Greeks continued burning the light that was Rome while Western Europe descended in to the Dark Ages. Although the Muslims deserve credit for preserving Greek and Roman intellectual traditions, Greek contribution here is grossly underrated.

Yes, the US, Australia, and Canada are also indebted. However, it seems the EU is responsible, but I would be agreeable to the US contributing up to 50%. After all, the US is responsible for 40%(?) of the west's GDP.

WFS, not completely sure what you said. I am not fluent in pirate speak. But I think you said that Western civilization has many influences outside of Greece. I'm not disagreeing with that. I didn't mean that Western culture is unchanged or a direct continuation of Greco-Roman civilization. However, at the end of the day, Greek influence is titanic and undeniable. It's hard to look at most aspects of a Western culture without finding fingerprints from Classical Greece.

I want the US to save itself, not to save Europe which, if they need to, can save themselves with monetary dissolution.