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@AA I figured man lol, I'm not taking any attacks personal (and no you didn't call me anything I was speaking of people in your allianc) and you very well could be right in your assessment of the situation...
but I think Oxy has put it in better prespective...but again you're choices from this point, are not my decision to make 
I'm simply playing for the fun of it
Think ox posted the best solution for everyone to be happy I think !
Oxy,
"What's the issue with a 2v2v1?"
The issue is that we would fight 2v2 with 80/71, and a 1v2 with your fam and no savings in our alliance. 2v2v1 implies that u also cancel on 80/71 which is impossible since u have a PNAP.
Sure, these wars were long coming. But you just don't cancel at start of a different war. At least wait till the war is over and give us the chance to wrap things up. If you had canceled the tick we signed a NAP with 80/71, no one would have cared. That's the way it goes in this game. There's a major difference between what ur fam just did and what was "long coming".
then do so, and make it like we never cancelled and make it *** 1 VS 1 *** after your war !
so it's OK for 66 to wait for your war to end, and fight 2v1 against your alliance....or is it a smarter move for us to use the advantages we have been provided?
oh and 76 is not involved in the cancelation (as stated above) but to say that a 2v1 becomes more "honourable" than a 3v2 is just ridiculous
With Oxy's addition of what COULD be done to AVERT the IC Crisis at hand I believe should be weighed and considered...although it clearly gives 66 the disadvantage 
which seems to be the way you'd like the war to go right Duke? Hm i bet you do agree to it, just so the odds become stacked in your favor again...now all can be right and wonderful in the world of IC, where the winners keep on winning, and the people who get kicked around continually quit...so typical of this game...nothing has changed in 5years, I see nothing changing in the next 5.
In Addition if we do go through as planned 71 has already stated that they would be attacking us as well so therefor it goes like this
62/67 vs 80/71
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66 vs 62/67 and 71 and you're still complaining
Yes there is a small difference in what I said based on the PNAPs but honestly, 2v2v1 is the most fair this is able to get in my eyes. From my perspective, you fight the war. If you win the war, you gain even MORE shares with us. 76 wants no involvement in this war, so it would be 2v1 after your war concludes. This does not sound like fun to me - I did that against 80/71, we fought our ass off and simply ran out of time retaking Torq's small nw planets. I feel it would be similar in that regard. Why not just have it out now?
The solution is simple: we re-nap on your WORD that it will be a plain 1v1 with 62, with which we have more shares. This war cancellation would begin at the end of this war - that is at our discretion obviously because I know it's a tendency for fams to keep NAPs at war's end on the down low while they recoup and save, etc. If you can agree to these terms, we will instantly back off. We may even give you a day to save and such to fight us. I just want a fair fight for MY fam as well - we planned to hit you earlier this week but I finally got a temp job and so my availability dropped considerably. I don't want to play with excuses, so we thought this was the best plan. Yes - not the best timing obviously but from our perspective, our choices are limited right now. We felt would create the most level situation for all fams (you're slightly inconvenienced with morale but we're inconvenienced with fighting 2 fams).
Mull what I have just posted for a bit between 80/71 and 62/67, post opinions and I will be back tonight (5-6 ticks) to see what is happening and we can come to a decision then regarding the situation. I just didn't figure that everyone would have a cow about ONE fam cancelling on TWO fams TWO days after a war has started. I mean, 65 did NAP same day as war started so anything is possible imo. I'm trying to be as diplomatic as possible so I expect the same regards please. If you have better ideas, post them and we will consider obviously. It's not our intent to just gangbang 62/67 - we simply want as even of a playing field as WE think we've earned these past 5 weeks, and 2v1 does not sound good to me.
Cliffnotes:
We can re-NAP and war 62 1v1 later (66 has more shares)
We could fight now in a 2v2v1 (66 can't hit 71/80 though so it levels the playing field imo)
We think of something else!
i guess its not so bad when you look at it like that....but its still cheesy.
whatever....im gonna keep fighting this war until i hear otherwise 
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> AdriusAvangion wrote:
> i never called anyone a loser douchebag, nor am i taking this personally. Im just playing the game. All im saying is: if this is how yall wanna play, then fine. Lets see what happens. Im playing too 
and ambrosius....this isnt exactly directed at just you. Im addressing your entire alliance with my comments.
lol AA, like I said we of 76 have nothing to do with this shit, we have no NAPs with 62 or 67 so if we wanted to we could attack them anytime, stop being an Arganon and get on with it.
:Edited by me because AA's pretty cool lol
as are we AA
"I just didn't figure that everyone would have a cow about ONE fam cancelling on TWO fams TWO days after a war has started. "
my english is not that good
but you cancelt 2 ticks after war started and not 2 days
...that's a canceled NAP....which means we cannot war until TWO DAYS(and 2 ticks) after war has been occurring, it's not english it's math
@n00blio
I'm 100 percent behind AA. Talic and Impire have been too good to the game and community for this kind of bs.
you know u mean the legend has been good for the game too; you will miss me the most when im gone uberg00ber kisser
The "IC Legend" has only been good for my war record. Warring you is always an automatic win for me =p
5-0 after this round.
Players in 62/67 are taking the cancellation by 66 very well even though this is one of those WTF situations. I like Dukem's posts
Because much of what we call game ethics isn't written into the game, we can do a lot in order to "win." 5066, you guys can win the round by jumping on your strongest competition while they're in a major war. And remember they didn't initiate this fight. You can also break the NAP and just attack at your convenience, it seems synonymous to what you guys are doing.
It would've meant so much more if you waited for this war to end, gave 62,67 a few days to recuperate, and then cancel. Isn't that how it's normally done anyway? Yeah it might be a little disadvantageous because of 5076, but you have this major war to work on eco and prep for it. Wouldn't it mean so much more if you guys won that way?
@ Ambrosius, yeah we try to play this game to have fun and what not, but shouldn't we also respect other players' desire to enjoy the game by being courteous and following certain guidelines?
Anyway, as a spectator I was looking forward to following this fight and maybe learn some stuff from it so I hope 66 doesn't ruin what could possibly be the most exciting war of this MW round.
66 is taking a cheap win, end of story. Once cowards always cowards. Keep running from those fair fights N00bs!
although it's still a strategy. just like small guy coring
/me waits for forum nerd rage
ill admit it that it was a smart ALTHOUGH ill timed and cheesy manuever. There is nothing in the rules stating that this is illegal or wrong. Its just lame.
From 66's point of view they feel justified. Cant fault em for that.
Regardless of the circumstances we should all remain civil to each other. It is, after all, just a game. Please dont mistake my posts for anger and rage. Im just expressing my feelings on the matter. Im not mad nor am i gonna start making rude personal attacks on anyone. That kind of behavior is unacceptable.
ANYHOO....fun and interesting war so far. Good activity and lots of planets have changed hands.
for teh lulz..
[Friday 29 July 2011] [14:52:38] <Spam> at about 3am Oxy tried to convince me to cancel all our NAPs
[Friday 29 July 2011] [14:52:50] <Spam> i'm afraid to login and see
[Friday 29 July 2011] [14:54:42] <Zarf_BeebleBrix> lol
[Friday 29 July 2011] [14:54:52] <Spam> 
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:15:51] <Walking_Corpse> Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:17:01] <Walking_Corpse> hmm tell Oxy he needs to learn how to sleep :S
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:17:22] Quit Zarf_BeebleBrix has left this server (Ping timeout: 121 seconds).
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:18:03] <Spam> gah
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:18:09] <Spam> i was so hammered last night
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:18:19] <Spam> and that tard is trying to get me to cancel everything
[Friday 29 July 2011] [15:18:26] <Spam> drinking and IC never mix
Soooon next round...every fam should wait till the first 2 fams to war....
then if the naps have any "strategy", just cancel while the 2first war. You will get a bunch of cheap planets and knock out 2 fams for the round. So yeah....that's the smart strategy according to the normal failures. Just like the one who posted 2 posts b4 me.
i dunno what all the talk of a 2v2v1 is about..
62's alliance vs 80's alliance = 2v2
66 cancelling on 62's alliance = 1v2
sum total is 3v2 against 62's alliance..
(not judging, just wanted to correct your shoddy maths)
Oxy knows my feeling in game, but just for the record, this is a lame move, and just be thankful that in our family, at least 1 person does not want to return the lame move with another!
Well, what will be and all that, and if 66 win this round, then it would be an empty win... but whatever, roll on 14th August, 1 more player leaving this game for good. 2 rounds back, and the 1st i get killed off by my own family member (Minor Threats) now we have a nice cancel war ruined by another families greed. Doesnt seem a lot of point in playing, even if i wanted to play more.
@ Nox - completely agreeable, all of what you said is of value. Also why oxy has offered to rescind our cancellation, but everyone is stuck on semantics...not tangible facts.
My question is this...if we (66) stayed warring through end of round and win that way without every facing 62/67 it would still be called a cheap win yet if we were at war with someone and they canceled on us, are they considered taboo for interrupting our war? probably not because we are one of the biggest fams in the galaxy and could only be at war someone smaller than us...
Where is the transparency? We are on our own in this obviously, and if we have the chance to win (and get a fair enough fight to do so) why not take it? which the fight would be more even for us in the current situation...
But everyone is saying that waiting is the right way....why so that 62/67 can turn it into a morale war? (which we probably lose as our allies have no interest in war with them)
Imo its hypocritical thinking, and yet Oxy is still willing to give them that time...so where are the actual guidelines for this? Because obviously there are none, and yet everyone speaks of fairness and fun. What about our fun, no one wants to be in a 2v1 against two strong, veteran filled fams...and lord knows we wouldn't get a fair 1v1 against either of them...
So please IC tell us what should be done that is the most fair option for all parties involved because you're only seeing one side of the spectrum.
@ Walking Corpse, 71 had clearly stated if this is followed through with they will attack us
66 vs 62/67 and 71 vs 66 = 3v1
My math is always right.
Just in case some people get the wrong ideas: 67/62 won't void the NAP or break it any way. Made agreements are agreements nonetheless and we stick to them.
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