Topic: Obama Slaps UK over Falklands

Obama Administration Backs Argentina Over U.K. on Falkland Dispute
By Judson Berger

Published June 10, 2011
| FoxNews.com
Reuters
Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner smiles during a news conference in Mexico City May 30.

The Obama administration once again has sided with Argentina -- and by default, against Britain -- in the ongoing dispute over the island chain at the center of a 1982 war.

In a move one British conservative analyst called "hugely insulting to Britain," the Organization of American States earlier this week adopted a declaration calling for negotiations between the United Kingdom and Argentina over the "sovereignty" of the Falkland Islands. While the U.S. delegation did not speak in support of the measure, it ultimately joined a consensus adopting it.

However, Britain does not consider the sovereignty in question. After the British fended off an Argentine invasion of the nearby islands in 1982 -- a war in which hundreds died on both sides -- the government continues to assert control over the Falklands and grant islanders British citizenship.

Britain has resisted international calls for the two nations to negotiate the issue -- which makes the U.S. position all the more peculiar.

Noting that President Obama just returned from a visit to London where he cited the U.S.-U.K. "special relationship," Heritage Foundation analyst Nile Gardiner said the U.S. should at least stay neutral on the Falkland issue.

"British sovereignty over the islands is not an issue for negotiation. ... This is a slap in the face for America's closest friend and ally," he said, accusing the administration of siding with Venezuela and others against its friend.

"This is a bizarre foreign policy," he added. Gardiner is the director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom, whose namesake was prime minister during the Falklands War.

The Obama administration made clear in early 2010 that it would endorse calls for talks over the islands. At a Buenos Aires news conference with Argentina's president in March 2010, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she agreed with Argentina that the two nations should "sit down and resolve the issues between them."

From there, the U.S. implicitly backed an OAS document calling for talks last June and again Tuesday at a conference in El Salvador. The latest declaration, which refers to the islands as the Malvinas Islands, calls for exploring "all possible avenues towards a peaceful settlement of the dispute" and resuming sovereignty negotiations "as soon as possible."

It was accompanied by some tough words toward Britain. In an OAS press release, Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman said: "Unfortunately, Britain still declines to resume bilateral dialogue, in violation not only of repeated resolutions of the United Nations and this Organization." Timerman called for a "peaceful settlement to the dispute."

In the wake of the adoption, the British government quietly asserted its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands while downplaying the U.S. position -- stressing that the Obama administration continues to recognize British control of the territory.

"The longstanding U.S. position is unchanged. The U.S. recognizes the U.K.'s administration of the Falkland Islands," a British Embassy representative told FoxNews.com. "We're in regular touch with the U.S. on this issue, as on so many issues, and we expect that dialogue to continue."

The government on the Falkland Islands expressed disappointment with the OAS declaration. According to a report in MercoPress, Falkland officials issued a statement saying they "regret that this issue should once again be raised on the regional stage" and support the standing British position that "the issue of sovereignty is non-negotiable."
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Yeah our president is a douche but I must say you Brits have botched it again.  Seriously you like to pride yourselves on your superior sense and diplomacy, but you've rogered the South Atlantic into a cocked hat. 

Falklands are British territory, not a colony, right?    That makes Uruguay and Chile and Brazil and Argentina as much your neighbors as France, Germany, Sweden and Holland.  Only separated by a bit of water. 

Do you ever act like it?   When was the last time the Queen visited South America?  Do you consider asking to join the Organization of American States?   Juan Carlos of Spain is a welcome invitee over here, and he doesn't even claim any land around here.

It won't benefit anybody but Argentina if the Falklands are ceded, but the rest of the OAS would be happy to give it to them just to piss on you.  And you're so desperate for help that you'll turn to us.  Not only is that weak, but you figure they like us any better?  About 4 years ago they tried to get Chinese military advisors instead of US because they didn't like our extraterritoriality deals.  And we keep NOODGING them about shooting their own people to stop the drug trade.

Best thing you could do is start using them parasitic Royals for public relations like they're supposed to.  I'd do it now without waiting for the Brazilian Olympics, which you should seriously start celebrating IN LONDON.  Also make good use of Blair, who is RC like many Latin Americans.  Don't bother with Argentina at first, let them be a last leg of a continental tour, if they'll have you.  And see to it it goes well enough that they do want to have you.

It's not that I really care about you Brits, but we didn't kick the French and the Nazis out of our hemisphere just to lose it to some tinhorn socialist gaucho guerrillas.  And having you thrown out of the Falklands will only help the liberated masses forget they don't have hot running water 24/7.  So you'll have to get your pinstripe legions to drinking and smoking and yakking for Queen and Country, because the state you've reduced your Navy to, Argentina could knock over the islands with 50 DUKWs and an armored ferryboat.

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Are you forgetting all of the American territories? You don't consider Australia or Samoa your neighbours either, do you? even though you have territories in the pacific?

What are you trying to say anyways.

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the Falklands are unimportant windswept desolate islands in the grand scheme of things, but apparently there might be oil there so that's what all the fuss is about.

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The old Monroe Doctrine again
yawn

The inmates are running the asylum

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I agree with the Monroe Doctrine. It's our periphery. gtfo! If you disagree, then back it up by force.

But I agree with EmperorHez. The Falklands served no purpose other than to bolster Margaret Thatcher's reputation as a strong-willed Prime Minister. In the grand scheme of things, the place is irrelevant. Just let Argentina have it.

However, I disapprove of Obama's actions because he's being an irritating champion of fictitious values again. I have the hunch that at least 80% of the world's population subconsciously knows that "values" count for nothing in politics, only self-interest. And I'm tired of Obama's focus on values and would rather he admit our country (as well as every other one) serves its own interests. That would be a step forward in establishing a more productive dialogue about the world's problems with its leaders and people. Finally, Obama's mention of the Falklands serves no profitable purpose, and I'm concerned the man is a lunatic.

And my statement about Obama possibly being a lunatic (idealist) does not contradict my statement that states serve their own interests, or at least that that is their homeostasis, so to speak. Obama seems to merely be a disturbance of the system.

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Are you forgetting all of the American territories? You don't consider Australia or Samoa your neighbours either, do you? even though you have territories in the pacific?<<

Yeah and we do treat them like neighbors. "Oh yeah, that country"

>>What are you trying to say anyways.<,

Latin Americans like Brits about as much as they like Yankees, and whose fault is that?

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the fact that you treat your neighbors like they ain't your neighbors doesn't make you treat other countries like your neighbors just because you treat them like shit tongue.

and i'm pretty sure at least half the british people know where argentina or brasil or some of the other larger south-american countries are located in the world. That can't be said about americans and australia or indonesia tongue.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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the falklands have some pretty good military infrastructure now, the royal navy isn't as big or powerful as it used to be, but the Argentinian military was reduced even way more. I heard that their military is weaker than it was during the first Falkland war because it got mostly stuck at the same tech level with less equipment. The UK has at least improved it's tech level even though it reduced its equipment.

In any case the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands was a surprise attack against tiny military defences with very little UK military assets around to reinforce against the initial wave, now there is a big ass military base on the islands that would not only pick up an invasion force but would also be very well placed to oppose a landing. And of course it's a safe bet that there are one or more UK submarines in the area at any time.

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at least our(american) territories arent always trying to succeed from us.

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Just do what we did with Gibraltar and give the islanders a choice.

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Oh well if you're sure there's no problem then don't bother making friends in Latin America

guess we'll have to wait for a real President to start fomenting brush wars to undermine socialist govts.

Again.

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uhhh what? lol

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obviously what matters here are US interests

it would suit us if Brits gave the Che-wannabees a black eye over the Falklands by making lots of friends in South America so nobody but Argentines wanted them to leave

since the very idea seems tiresome, guess we'll have to fall back on Plan A, and foment reactionary revolutions all over

que sera sera

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in a couple of decades south america will be chinese and you'll be glad the british have a foothold nearby X(

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Not if the Iranians get there first!

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June 14th is Liberation Day in the Falklands \o/

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the Falkland Islands has a thousand troops,  a frigate, 4 Eurofighter Typhoons, 1 sub on station. and SAM batteries. plus local defence units stationed there.

so although the UK's ability to project power into the South Atlantic is very much reduced compared to 30 years ago the defences on the island are a lot stronger.

The big question is whether Argentina could take out that defence force. I'm not sure they could. 30 years ago the invasion was pretty much unopposed except for a handful of marines.

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"the Falkland Islands has a thousand troops,  a frigate, 4 Eurofighter Typhoons, 1 sub on station. and SAM batteries. plus local defence units stationed there."

maybe they should take out the UK

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lol yea since thier whole army is on that silly island tongue

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breaking NAP to rape the core... yikes

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Argentina would vulture that one!

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France territory extends to French Guiana, meaning there's a piece of EU territory on the South American mainland. Doesn't mean that Sarkozy is regulary visiting

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Nobody wants him or French guiana

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I offered to buy French Guiana off them for

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you need to make the check out to Talleyrand

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