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http://www.dailytech.com/Wikileaks+Airs+US+Plans+to+Kill+Pirate+Bay+Monitor+ISPs+With+Multinational+ACTA+Proposal/article11870.htm


The long running saga of litigation against The Pirate Bay has been well publicized and discussed depth at DailyTech. The Pirate Bay was slapped with conspiracy charges by the government of Sweden early this year, at the urging of the IFPI, the parent organization of the RIAA.  Under attack by IFPI lawyers and Swedish authorities, the sardonic pirate bay chaps told the IFPI lawyers to "screw themselves" and countersued for compensation for lost traffic.

Now Wikileaks has obtained a leaked copy of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), a shadowy bill that has been being discussed in Congress behind closed doors.  The new multi-lateral intellectual property measure is being pushed by Republican U.S. Trade Representative Susan C. Schwab, who designed much of it.  The ACTA bill is apparently supported by the U.S., the European Commission (well known for its recent fining of Microsoft), Japan, and Switzerland.

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yes, yes, of course Europe is a co-conspirator is the scheme to suppress and censor. i'm sure you were holding your breath, hoping not, but...this is the world we live in.

loved the new Indiana Jones

and i found this comment troubling

"Actualy it is illegal to hold congressonal sessons behind closed doors unless it is on matters of natonal security like impeachment or war.
There are countless laws that support this. This is even more important when it involves limiting freedom of speech in any form. Controlling communication and monitoring everyone is not in the intrests of free speech.
I dont think trying to stopp someone downloading a Sympsons re-run counts as natonal security threat. No the Pirate Bay is not ethical but dont cut off your hand because of a hangnail. It is inconvinent but you really sould remain within the law when fighting illegal activities.

Any time congress or the white house feels the need to do things in private should be a big sign that it is not right. When you are doing somthing good you tell the world."

if only Ron Paul was Caesar of America. he would cure the rot in our government.

or the Zohan

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You don't mess with the Zohan!

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"Any time congress or the white house feels the need to do things in private should be a big sign that it is not right. When you are doing somthing good you tell the world."

He's got a point there. It's indeed questionable what torrent sites do, but a gouvernment-regulated internet would be far worse. And a goevernment that closes sessions for the public whenever it feels like it, is at least wrong...

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

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Thats the way the world is going... copyrights, patents and general "intellectual property"...
Soon, you won't be able to paint your garden fence red, without having to pay royalties to the owners of red, fence panels, gardens, brushes, iron oxide, buckets.........

These laws allow organisations with lots of money to crush people with almost none, as the organisations can abuse the laws as much as they please, whilst smaller groups can't.
Just look at the contraversial EU software patents as an example of this.
Likewise, in music, sample CDs come out with sounds and rhythms that you can use, if you pay royalties... the fact that most of these were copied from, or reproductions of other people's work, other people who were'nt even asked for permission, let alone paid, is irrelevant as far as the laws seem to go.
Microsoft are so against piracy now, yet they only came into existance in their current form due to their abuse of copyrights and patents in their earlier days.

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" . . .a shadowy bill that has been being discussed in Congress behind closed doors."

Umm.... to fill in those that are not American.

A "Bill" is discussed and formulated in committee or "Behind closed doors."
If it was on the floor for debate and a vote "Behind closed doors"  that would be a decision by the leadership, and would have legal precedent.

@Psychogen:

you write:
"These laws allow organisations with lots of money to crush people with almost none, as the organisations can abuse the laws as much as they please, whilst smaller groups can't."

This is great.  YES !!! YES!!!  I agree.... umm .... wait.

What law, what organization, what people are crushed, as what orgs abuse what laws, when did they do as they please and what "Smaller" group could not ??

"Just look at the contraversial EU software patents as an example of this."

EU ?  No correlation to US....sorry.

"Likewise, in music, sample CDs come out with sounds and rhythms that you can use, if you pay royalties... the fact that most of these were copied from, or reproductions of other people's work, other people who were'nt even asked for permission, let alone paid, is irrelevant as far as the laws seem to go."

Wooot!!  more circle speak.  I love it.
What sample CD, what royalties, Most of what were copied from what reproductions of whose work, who was not asked for permission and not paid, and it was irrelevant to what law ???

LOL. big_smile

"Microsoft are so against piracy now, yet they only came into existence in their current form due to their abuse of copyrights and patents in their earlier days."

Yes, evil Microsoft (new whipping boys have spawned)  Well, not so evil since Bill Gates retired and tosses around a bunch of cash......the leftist-elitists have backed off quite a bit.

Evil Microsoft.
Evil Banks.....Until the mortgage collapse and loss of billions.
Evil Wall street brokers...... until the massive losses in the stock market

The New evil boys ??  EVIL OIL COMPANIES !!!

Them price gouging oil hording, bastards.....Yeaaaa....


Come on people, use your head.

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Blackberry, have you ever read The Jungle, or heard of Upton Sinclair?

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Black_Wing, would you like UPC codes for those individual CDs, or has american education finally reached the stage where people there are capable of using google?

<<"Just look at the contraversial EU software patents as an example of this."

EU ?  No correlation to US....sorry.>>

Yes it is. its a problem of similar nature, but with a more organised opposition, as it threatens part of an industry.



And as far as "evil microsoft", how many violations were they found guilty of in relation to code in MS-DOS again??

Psychogenesis / Baracus / Coco


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I'm not criticising microsoft's products... I'm using Win 2K myself on this pc and in my non-mac studio... Its just their slight hypocrisy that annoys me.

Psychogenesis / Baracus / Coco


Thus, he proclaimed "By the power vested in me, I now declare you the 12th Earl of Toolchester, and what a tool you shall be"

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hmmm, black wing?

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If you are going to copy paste an article do it properly and explain what the bill would entail as of yet.

And the EU voted against a bill that would make it mandatory for ISP's to keep records. All that freedom of speech thing.

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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YES!!!!

Thepiratebay.org

was founded by estonians!!!

torrent sites FTW!!!

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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Hmmm ?  Black Wing ??  hmmm, what ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
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hmmm, upton sinclair, 'The Jungle'

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another excellent article

provided in full via request ("waaah") by arcolex...

http://www.dailytech.com/MediaDefender+Launches+DoS+Attack+on+Legitimate+TV+Website/article11937.htm

Attacks mistakenly targetted legitimate BitTorrent tracker


Jim Louderback, CEO of internet TV network Revision3, is considering legal action against anti-piracy firm MediaDefender after an internal investigation revealed it to be the source of a Memorial Day weekend Denial of Service attack against Revision3

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no, havent.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
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you should look him up, and his book. he impacted the US around the early 20th century incredibly. on topic with those who distrust big business. his book is a great read btw.

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kk

I will look into it.

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"The Jungle" is the one about the meatpacker, right?

Sinclair was pissed off that nobody gave a damn about the poor immigrant workingman and his struggles that he wrote the novel about, everybody howled about food quality.

"Worst of any, however, were the fertilizer men, and those who served in the cooking rooms. These people could not be shown to the visitor,

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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