> LG wrote:

> how. 03 now has all of 02s core to try and hold. plus they barely took any damage...

but they didn't gain many planets really, considering they lost a decent amount at the start of the war.
main thing that happened for 03 is they eliminated a threat. they didnt really come out a lot stronger relative to the remaining top fams though.

Serenity stop whining

dude they raided me for like 80 planets and i didn't delete....

why? cuz i rock

I say i post my last post and serenity starts talking smack thinking i can't do anything against it!

CLEARLY i didn't do anything. because CLEARLY i didn't have the least fleet and still played one of the most important parts in the war. Who killed the ground of 03's reccies? oh, that was me, in both cases (kelso & bush)!

So i would like to know why you think i didn't do anything. I was gone for around 22 hours, that is correct, but i had told you this beforehand. That is why i didn't jump. But even with my small fleet (and my 48% military ) I was still able to do maybe the most damage. ICD did a lot of damage too, after he dropped fleet and cleared shares, but Serenity does not see this as a smart move so we'll disregard those planets. If we do, all that ICD did was clear simon corwell and pangea. An important job, that is true. But if he hadn't dropped fleet, he wouldn't have been able to do anything else: simon corwell was in pmode and pangea was gone, cleared everywhere.
Now what did Orion do? Orion was the guy doing clean up duty after I killed ground. He was essential in the fact that he had 200% speed and a good raiding fleet, after i'd kicked down their ground to nothing. Orion might've taken most planets, but he did not do that without my help. Not trying to bash orion, he did good and did his part, but clearly he didn't do everything by himself.

Furthermore i took 32 planets in 1 raid after you deleted serenity, just before i did so myself. This raid actually provided Orion with easy targets to raid himself. The initial plan was to have Orion break some ports first to kill some ground so i'd lose less, but since Orion didn't show up at 4 am and I wanted to go to bed asap, i decided to just go for it. The result: 3 failed attacks, 32 planets taken, and a reccie with 2.5k sols left.
Earlier in round i crashed 00's attacker's fleet multiple times, and took part in every war except for our war with 98 because i was occupied with 00 at the time.

One of the complaints you like to use is that our attackers ate all of your cash, which resulted in you not being able to build defenses. I'd like to remind you that I was our smallest attacker all round, had kept myself with a modest fleet to reduce the upkeep the fam would have to pay for, had not done any big fleet jumpes, and still was able to keep up with orion & icd in planets taken. Do you want to know why we didn't have cash? because 00 had opped our bankers, and i didn't have sufficient fleet to do a good raid on 00. Luckily their attacker didn't like to check cpff'd planets for figs and crashed fleet numerous times. Otherwise we would've gotten opped for an even longer time.

So saying I didn't do anything because I was gone for 22 hours or during the rest of the round is just foolish. The planet names from my last raid are my testimony: I named them after ships sunken/badly damaged by kamikaze attacks. Go look for em, there should be 36 orso (32 from my last raid, 4 more from planets i still had).

And your delete only showed i was right at bor when i told everyone not to aid you and to kill you off asap. Too bad we lacked active recoursers so  ICD decided to keep you, as you seemed active at the time and had supposedly "turned a new page in your book". Yeah, that lasted 5 days, then old Serenity came back.
The argument you won was that you were vital to the fam. That is true. However, that was not part of the discussion we had just before you deleted, it wasn't even mentioned. And if it was, it was just a treat. I ignore treats in discussions: they are the worst arguments ever, they are not even arguments at all but just ways for whiney idiots to get what they want. So what have you really proven with your deletion? How bad of an attitude you have, how spoiled you are: Serenity doesn't get what he wants, so he deletes.

Serenity has pulled the same move twice on me now, in 2 consequetive rounds. He sucks at everything else than banking, which everyone can do a decent job at if they spend a little time. Whenever he doesn't get what he wants, he cries like a little baby up and till the day he deletes. He is lazy as hell, and if you ask him for ops when he is in fact supposed to be an opper, he becomes angry.
I do not understand why people still want to play with this guy. I hope you quit, Serenity, and don't come back this time.

RD wrote: "....ICD did a lot of damage too, after he dropped fleet and cleared shares, but Serenity does not see this as a smart move so we'll disregard those planets. If we do, all that ICD did was clear simon corwell and pangea. An important job, that is true. But if he hadn't dropped fleet, he wouldn't have been able to do anything else..."

Serenity does not see this as a smart move?? NOBODY DOES

come on RD you're dissapointing, you'd better reckon u [bamboozled] it all with the stupid fleet drop and stop ur arguments here

"But if he hadn't dropped fleet, he wouldn't have been able to do anything else..."

do I have to quote myself about the ground-running ??  disbanding fleet in NEVER a good idea unless your enemy has been defeated and is too small and you want to farm them, only then you could think about dropping fleet considering you'll get good planets in return  (its a very low move btw).

I could even expect a fail like this from you or Serenity as attackers, but IC Death is suposed to be a skilled player, but hell, as often this MW pop stars are extremely OVERRATED.

can I call you ...?? NOOOOOOBS!!!

ok wahtever, if you have just 1 banker in range send 5 ranged fleets to him, this way you can reduce your fleet by killing the banker fleet too, and oh maybe you can even take some planets due to your attack bonus (even tho you actually lose the battle, you take the planet).  Once you have dropped fleet by that process (repeat several times if needed) then your agents/wizzies are more effective, you can help with ops, and the cash saved with ur decreased upkeep is used to jump a small attacker in ur fam.

In case you have a too big fleet and not many shares with bankers, once the attackers are cleared in ur shares you can try to ground-run bankers (unless they raze portals), thats the best way to drop ur fleet and reduce ur upkeep.

Anyway, by ur words I supose your real mistake was to jump the wrong person   a jumped attacker going afk for rl issues is bad luck yes, but then at least let his fleet disband by upkeep and not intentionally, and use your incomes to jump another attacker

I still don't know why you are trying to justify this fleet drop - it was a bonehead move! Just admit it - you will feel better!

> RisingDown wrote:

> 25% range blows up planets, so that would not have helped.

I'm not talking about taking the planets, I am talking about ground-run, about losing a battle, actually, losing several battles in order to win a war

Now I get the facts the real problem in ur fam was you were not prepared for a war in that date and couldnt focuse on attacking tactics or stuff like that, bah u know what's next as this is a game    Game Over, Insert Coin

RD just give up the argument you are probably the least experienced person posting here

Also, its just plain rude to try ruin the rest of a fams round just for winning a fair war against you... war winners deserve to be rewarded for their superior skills and tactics, not hit by some under-handed maggot move like deleting after a raid

agreed RD,

"I just hope we ruined 03's chances of winning with our little kamikaze move. Oh well at least I had fun doing it and I think Orion did too"

Bitch move.

Wtf has happened to ic? 2 fams with mass deletes so far. [Rainbow] gay.

Rain, thats MW people messing PW up