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@ Ripper
Thank you for your service.
Dont even bother, these boneheads have no clue what duty, honor and country mean.
Thats why some of us volunteer, and some whine and complain.
You are correct.
the first 3 centuries of islam and christianity widely differ; one rose thru proselytism, the other thru conquest.
>>"What you fail to realize is that America is dependent on international trade. . ."
Oh....and what 1st world country is NOT dependent on trade ?<<<
Well one I can bring up is my own. We produce every necessity for life in excess, if we were to cut off all trade with everyone we could survive easily, we'd lose a few luxuries but Mennonites seem to get by ok without those anyway. Furthermore we produce all material necessary to maintain our infrastructure so we wouldn't even have to give up electricity, heat, etc. The US is NOT able to boast the same.
"Sure, the US has nothing to offer in the world of free trade. The US is not an economic factor."
Not saying the US has nothing to offer just that everything that comes from the US can be acquired from elsewhere. If you can name one thing the US produces that no one else is capable of doing I'll retract my statement. Like I said if any nation cut off trade entirely with the US they would take a hit, I'll even concede it'd be a big one, but it would by no mean be something they couldn't recover from.
The point I was trying to get across, and clearly failed, is that if you stop being concerned with international opinion you will wake up one day to find yourself without trade partners or allies of any kind. Allow me a metaphor, if as a businessman you have a reputation as a hard nosed A-Hole who uses shady business practices, sells shoddy merchandise, and is in general a weasel nobody is going to want to do business with you.
lol BW them bloody civilians ey ?
@ Nem
No, those bloody [Brethren of the Plains] that have no clue.
Do you fit in ?
Some boneheaded people refuse to look at the deeper problem of terrorism, and just make a claim they are jealous of us, and they hate us for no reason.
Well look at the big picture, the US has been messing in the middle east since the 1940s either directly or indirectly. In Iran the CIA overthrew a DEMOCRATICALY I say again DEMOCRATICALY elected leader so they can impose their dictator of choice, then he was overthrown as a direct result of US involvement and now the US has a big bad enemy whom they helped to create.
The US sold weapons to Saddam, so during the cold war Saddam was a good boy, but now he isn
>>Instead of finding the core issue and dealing with it, the US is killing innocent people which in the end helps the terrorists recruit more people, you kill 1, 2 more are recruited. Its people like BW and Ripper that are responsible for all the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, how can you blame the terrorists, when you are the one that is providing them with manpower and more popular support. Terrorists have legitimate problems, but are using illegitimate means of getting heard if the core of the issue is not fixed, then there is no end to terrorism unless you kill everyone but the most patriotic Americans, and even then 95% of them are nutcases. Also blaming Islam for being a terrorist religion is not smart. I
actually the Shah was overthrown for his own personal corruption and for his attempt to modernize his country. the same thing happened in Ethiopia to Haile Selassie, where there was no US involvement. the US was responsible for the assassination of Mosedaq, but not for the Shah's unpopularity. In fact, the US was very popular, and the US president Kennedy, while the Shah was not.
Secondly, the US has been very successful in Iraq, to the point where the insurgents are mostly foreign-born. Which is actually a great help, because the locals are able to easily identify the foreign arabs among them, and the iraqi police and american military are then able to eliminate the troublemakers.
to reiterate, in terms of family for manticore, young bloods (whose families are safe back home) are coming from other countries to mess with americans and iraqis (whose families have been sorely afflicted). The ones who have suffered enough have seen that enough is enough and that's why the violence in iraq has gone down.
i'll say you are close-minded about 95% patriotic americans being nutcases. that's a tactless smear. says more about yourself than those you intended to malign. you christian? i doubt.
"you christian? i doubt."
HAHAHA, such a point to make 
And no idea what the Yell actually said. Something about them having no identities or something 
*Goes to check their ID cards*
Seems you are misstaken.
Dunno what they wanna be forgiven for... having another religion?
Why do you doubt that? Because I think people are nutcases when they value the lives of a few over the lives a many. Most of those patriotic Americans will watch by as tens of thousends, even hundreds of thousands of people die.
In Rwanda a US government official said soemthign along the lines of 80,000 rwandans had to die to justify risking 1 US soldiers life...
Besides, if there are alot of people like BW then the US will have more terrorist attacks. 9/11 should have been a wakeup, thing is the US slept right through it...
Manticore if there are more like BW then there would be no terrorists. None, nil, nul, nulch, nada, nyet, zero, ETC.
You dont get it, you dont understand, you wont understand.
You wont even try to understand, which is sad.
AGH
One religion was started with a sword. One religion still uses a sword to behead people. One religion still uses a word to describe a required movement where death is required of infidels.
Two religions have turned from any path of religious war. One has not. Two were never about murder, war, glory, or the likes.
Can you accurately name the five religions, and the harm the one which has not has done to the other four?
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Thank you for your service.
Dont even bother, these boneheads have no clue what duty, honor and country mean.
Thats why some of us volunteer, and some whine and complain.
You are correct."
Came again? So if i do not accept your excuse to invade iraq to be "They had wmds" and "they were protecting terrorist" i have no honor? no sense of duty? no country mean? This caming from a person who is not able to pay 5$ more of taxes in order for a homeless person to have a free day of medication.
"Manticore if there are more like BW then there would be no terrorists. None, nil, nul, nulch, nada, nyet, zero, ETC.
You dont get it, you dont understand, you wont understand.
You wont even try to understand, which is sad."
We do know what USA citizen wants, we do even understand it. What we do not understand is how blind you have came to belive and follow so much lies.
The war in iraq is not about terrorism, wmd, national security or whatever, it was about something else.
What we do not understand is why USA people do not ask why there is a war
> Black_Wing wrote:
> @ Nem
No, those bloody [Knights of the Open Road] that have no clue.
Do you fit in ?
did you take your PTSS pills today?
Actualy the extremist patriots on this Board, BW Ripper and company... are too stupid, and ignorant to look at anything other then the garbage they get fed at home, unaware that most non americans dont eat BS, we get our news sources from multiple places.
well i m sure there are plenty of other kinds of ppl in the ol us of a, what we get to see here doesnt represent them enitrely/correctly etc 
we had these discussions before, and nothing was resolved
it s the way of ic; everybody's a critic and thinks he holds absolute truth
"Well look at the big picture, the US has been messing in the middle east since the 1940s either directly or indirectly. In Iran the CIA overthrew a DEMOCRATICALY I say again DEMOCRATICALY elected leader so they can impose their dictator of choice, then he was overthrown as a direct result of US involvement and now the US has a big bad enemy whom they helped to create."
i wanna add a little thing there manticore, that was the past, let's talk about something like this that's going on right now, like the situation in pakistan, america has behind doors tried their hardest to keep the dictator, pervez musharaf there instead of electing a new person into the office that he has no right to keep,(atleast before he changed the constitution), pakistan is in a crisis, it's falling apart, if it had not been for america to mind it's own business and give musharaf so much power, pakistani politicians speak out now after years, as the situation seems to get a little better, atleast in the sense that the other politicians of pakistan have returned after their bans from the country enforced by musharaf, and now even after they have returned, people close with these politicions like zardari and nawaz sharif, continue to speak out about america's pressure on them to not do anything about musharaf, and letting him stay in office, i wouldn't count out the assissanation of behnzir bhuto, by the hands of americans either, if behnzir had succeeded, she would not maintain strong ties with america like musharaf has, in other words, she wouldn't be america's bitch like musharaf is, but she threatened that shady "alliance", which has brought nothing but more corruption and more terrorism in pakistan, the thing america was trying to do with this alliance was kill terrorism, but they introduced more, just like they did in iraq
the point is, america's gotta keep their hands out of other countries, evrything they touch turns to terrorists ,
YES sure help victims of a tsunami or earthquake, send relief supplies, aid money if you want, but stay out of the countries politics, and diplomacy, if you can't don't even try to help
@ Manti...
You write:
"Actually the extremist patriots on this Board, BW Ripper and company... are too stupid, and ignorant to look at anything other then the garbage they get fed at home, unaware that most non Americans dont eat BS, we get our news sources from multiple places." *** Fixed your typos for you ***
Amazing....and you even Edited the post to make sure you got it correct.
Can anyone say, Leftist Elitist, Euro socialist pacifist apologist trash ?
If anyone wishes to know who Im talking about.......Here is the perfect example.
Weaps to Saddam were given to kill Iranians....at the time, Iran invaded Iraq. Iran was a enemy....and We did balance it out by giving weaps to Iran as well 
Nice to have a nice balanced war where each side is wasting each other.
I think it worked out just fine.
Overthrowing an elected Iranian Regime ?? What ?
Tell me, you learned this in University did you ?
Iran was pro-Axis during WW2....this led to Mohammed Reza Pahlavi taking power......the Shah.
The family ruled until their ouster by Khomeni.
Where exactly did you get your revisionist history lesson from ..... hmmmm ???
Violence in reaction to violence works for me......so we agree there.
your 20 to 5 = some bullshit twisting of logic X 2 ...... I have no idea where that came from.....so leave the Bullshit to your leftists get togethers to sound so self grandiose.
The Core issue ??
Yea, the Core issue is setting up shop in your enemies back yard, and telling him this:
You want to kill Americans ?? Come and get us. We are here. Take on the Military....the all volunteer force of patriots willing to kick some ass and take names.
And, yes, its very frustrating fighting cowards hiding among women and children......but, we do our best.
as to your family.....this sick twisted animals will kill your mother, your sister, and father.......they will torture them, rape them, defile their bodies, and make a tape of it to show you.
That is enough to make me angry.........even if it was your family....
This is what separates you from me....you see, I am willing to defend even you and your family. YOU ???
No....you would rather make excuses and talk about it.....and blame everyone else. Except the enemy.
Because you are a coward.
You hide. Let the men do the heavy work for you.....[mmmbop]
Black Wing your last post just prove you blind you are.
Does question a motive for a war makes you be [insert random insult]?
"Weaps to Saddam were given to kill Iranians....at the time, Iran invaded Iraq. Iran was a enemy....and We did balance it out by giving weaps to Iran as well big_smile Nice to have a nice balanced war where each side is wasting each other.
I think it worked out just fine."
just fine? lol ask the people that live on does countrys if they are just fine
I think its humurous how everyone is talking about how America created the problem lol...you do realise that the Middle East has been a problem WAY before USA ever existed? yeh no kidding so if you wanna throw blame on anyone for pissing them off you can thank Europe for that not USA.
Also, no matter what you say about us meddling in other countries business being wrong i just have to disagree. the UN is all about meddling and you support them. Also, the last time we tried to stay outa peoples business and leave things alone we had Japan attacking us and Germany trying to kill all the Jews and take over Europe. Oh btw...he woulda succeeded if it had not been for Americans so there is a nice bone for you to chew on pups.
I am all for trying to keep certain things under control in countries so that history doesnt repeat itself all over again in ways where hundreds of thousands of civilians die.
For the record, this world has always been at war and will never stop being at war....maybe people should accept that fact and try to make sure that atleast its the ones that are trying to create evil are the ones dying.
And the American military does NOT and i repeat NOT kill innocent civilians unless it is totally accidental or in order to protect ones own life. I'm sorry but i dont fight FOR those people over there over my life...i fight for the USA first...me 2nd....then the civilians over there (which btw is not a requirement when i signed up 
) i do that extra.
I fight for freedom of speech which is why i aint getting mad that you people wish to talk bad about me and what i stand for...cause i fight so you can do that. but the flipside is that i get to use my freedom of speech too and call you boneheaded morons that are closeminded. because you refuse to realise that i quote "Freedom IS NOT Free, but its ok...the Military will pay for most of it with their own lives"
Dont give me your crap about how we go around killing innocents..yes accidents happen and we apologize for it when they do and try to make up for it but we dont go destroying buildings with thousands of civilians in them with the purpose of putting fear in the "infidels" which btw they still call us....because their religion says they must purge this world of all people who do not see their way.
I dont cut civilians or even other military heads off and put it on the news....I dont hold a baby in my arms or a woman in front of me while firing at the enemy....I dont hide in a church or a hospital or even a University to try and pot shot the enemy. I stand right out front and say bring it on i will take you like a man and kill you for being a murderous coward. They brought pain to America and many other countries with their terrorism and its only fair we bring pain and fear back to them.
You might call me a fanatic....well, im not. I am not for killing needlessly. however, this is one of those times i believe its a need.
And if you watch war films and horror films and such other movies and get enjoyment out of it...then i dont see how you are any different than someone that does it in real life. (i dont like horror....i think it promotes people to do such things personally) however, war is and always will be a part of this world because evil will always be.
God bless America and its Military. and God bless those people in other countries that actually believe in fighting for freedom.
Freelancer, according to Black_Wing, he and his country can kill ... 100 mil people if they wanted, and he wouldn't ever see any bad thing about it. This ofc as long as he got told by his government that they (somehow) threathened the american lifestyle or whatever.
Ah and ofc he himself wouldn't ever do anything (like pay a little more taxes) to help his fellow americans. Weird guy but nvm.
Dragon.....dont speak for me.
I can speak for myself just fine. YOU speak for yourself. Like you would rather stick your head in a bucket of [Ovaltine], and pretend its nothing but rose pedals. Yes ?
@ Freelancer.....No, I was quite clear.
Iraqis and Iranians killing each other was just fine. A perfect scenario. I was quite clear. To bad it was for only 8 Years.
Ask the people ?? Isnt the Govt. the people ?
It is in the US.
Ripper....we understand the value of Free Speech, etc.
They dont. They would rather shut you up.....and lock you up as well, if given the chance.
They are Socialists.....remember ? Elitist in nature, clouded in judgement, self elevating in their perceived intellect....and quite one sided.
Watch ole BW tweak their feathers....ROFL.
Thanks again....
"I think its humurous how everyone is talking about how America created the problem lol...you do realise that the Middle East has been a problem WAY before USA ever existed? yeh no kidding so if you wanna throw blame on anyone for pissing them off you can thank Europe for that not USA."
Yes but you didn't help that much
"Also, no matter what you say about us meddling in other countries business being wrong i just have to disagree. the UN is all about meddling and you support them. Also, the last time we tried to stay outa peoples business and leave things alone we had Japan attacking us and Germany trying to kill all the Jews and take over Europe. Oh btw...he woulda succeeded if it had not been for Americans so there is a nice bone for you to chew on pups."
UN said no for the invasion of iraq
another random example - UN ask international in the rhadaw genocide how much time did it took for someone to send help?
"he woulda succeeded if it had not been for Americans so there is a nice bone for you to chew on pups.""
Yes you won the war by yourself... and show us how great ally your are!!!! (i am being sarcastic just for you to be sure, although i thank USA for there help, but you are taking to much credit)
"I fight for freedom of speech which is why i aint getting mad that you people wish to talk bad about me and what i stand for...cause i fight so you can do that. but the flipside is that i get to use my freedom of speech too and call you boneheaded morons that are closeminded. because you refuse to realise that i quote "Freedom IS NOT Free, but its ok...the Military will pay for most of it with their own lives""
1- i never flame/offend you in any way
2- US military does not fight for freedom of speech (although you can belive you do or try to do)
3- We have all pay the price in order to have some freedom
"I dont cut civilians or even other military heads off and put it on the news"
US military is no that inocent
And know the most IRONIC thing you said
"dont like horror....i think it promotes people to do such things personally"
I do belive you.
"God bless America and its Military. and God bless those people in other countries that actually believe in fighting for freedom."
The other side ask the some
"Iraqis and Iranians killing each other was just fine. A perfect scenario. I was quite clear. To bad it was for only 8 Years.
Ask the people ?? Isnt the Govt. the people ?
It is in the US."
1- so why does iran hate USA so much? i guess thay have a reason
2- it is in the US? actually that is not the reality.
why did al gore had more votes in 2000 and lost? and what happened in florida?
you know in europe we all know 90% of what the americans see on tv in the news is bullcrap, universeties here study the americans. Why because you got a continent to yourselves so you can compare it to a zoo
It even shows on the images that they were used before or taed way before certain events, but used to magnify, frighten and manipulate the american population.
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