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yeah I had never heard they were phony. I heard the networks tried to censor them but not that they were phony.
"And every single one of them are volunteers."
lol... many of them did not have a choice
@DPS
"What you fail to realize is that America is dependent on international trade. . ."
Oh....and what 1st world country is NOT dependent on trade ? Not a very smart statement.
". . .countries that sell to the US can always look elsewhere, they'd take a hit but they'd eventually recover."
Again...a fine example of a lack of Common economic knowledge.
Sure, the US has nothing to offer in the world of free trade. The US is not an economic factor.
@ Manti ??
"lol... many of them did not have a choice"
they all had a choice. the entire US military is solely voluntary.
"they all had a choice. the entire US military is solely voluntary"
really? many people enter the US military because they cannot find any jobs, they need money for college etc.. they did not voluntary, they simple do not have any options left.
The US military is volunteers, the majority entered to serve their country, and that led them to Iraq.
National Guard, and Militia are also volunteer, but alot of them joined up to help their homestate in event of natural/industrial/terrorist emergency, Iraq was not on their mind when they volunteered.
@Black_wing: No one is arguing any 1st world country is completely independant of anyone else, all that was said, the US is not the only one and cant do it alone, so the US as a whole should start carying about the world.
im in the United States Marine Corps. let me fill you in on what the military members think of this....
1. We ARE volunteers and are proud to serve our country
2. We did NOT create the war over in the middle east...it has been brewing for a long time and you would know that if you checked your facts at all the terrorist attacks that have happened time and time again on other countries as well as America.
3. 9/11 was a final straw...a direct attack on our country which killed many thousands of innocent civilians was too much to bear.
now i know...you may sit there and say "well Iraq didnt attack us you went there for the oil" and i reply "we did not go there for the oil we went there because they claimed and mad everyone to believe that they DID have weapons of mass destruction. now it came out they didnt once we got there and smoke checked them but that is not our fault. they made out very hard to get us to believe they did.
Also, incase u didnt notice Iraq, Afghanistan and such other countries are harboring terrorists and their activites and do nothing to purge their lands of these people therefore America and MANY other countries (including England, Italy, Germany, France) have gone over there to do the job themselves. and while you may not think its working think about this.
1. When have we had another MAJOR hit since 9/11 where we lost thousands of innocen civilians?
2. Can you honestly say that he 60,000 + terrorists killed is NOT a good change? i mean come on...if they were alive think of the damage some of them could and WOULD do to your country.
America has went out of its way and given money to other countries in their times of need...but when do we get help from other countries in our times? for instance...Katrina. did your country help aid us when we were hit? lol! you are nothing but hypocrites if you want to talk down to us over such instances.
Im glad that we look out for ourselves in certain cases and try to make sure we continue growing as a country. And anyone who gets in our way of making this world a better place deserves the same fate as the terrorist are getting
"@Black_wing: No one is arguing any 1st world country is completely independant of anyone else, all that was said, the US is not the only one and cant do it alone, so the US as a whole should start carying about the world."
what was said is that the US better care about what other people think because if they dont, other countries could cut off trade with the US and they would be fine, but it would screw over the US.
"Im glad that we look out for ourselves in certain cases and try to make sure we continue growing as a country. And anyone who gets in our way of making this world a better place deserves the same fate as the terrorist are getting"
lol
"we did not go there for the oil we went there because they claimed and mad everyone to believe that they DID have weapons of mass destruction. now it came out they didnt once we got there and smoke checked them but that is not our fault. they made out very hard to get us to believe they did."
even a bigger lol.
"America has went out of its way and given money to other countries in their times of need...but when do we get help from other countries in our times? for instance...Katrina. did your country help aid us when we were hit? lol! you are nothing but hypocrites if you want to talk down to us over such instances."
Many countries did want to give help... but your gov said no thanks.
"2. Can you honestly say that he 60,000 + terrorists killed is NOT a good change? i mean come on...if they were alive think of the damage some of them could and WOULD do to your country."
where did you kill that many?
"1. We ARE volunteers and are proud to serve our country"
You fail to see the big picture
Here you go, searched to find an article about this:
http://members.tripod.com/thinkagaintv/Palestinianscelebrating.html
unless you can actually make an honest argument instead of just silly "lol" comments then you shouldnt speak Freelancer
you see the problem with almst everyone in this world is they watch the news and actually believe that even 25% of it is correct. well you are mistaken...the only thing the media cares about is making money not reporting the truth. and since the world WANTS to believe what we are doing is wrong the media portrays that.
yes, in fact we have killed 60k + in the war on terrorism between Afghanistan and Iraq...but the media doesnt want you to know that we are doing so well because it hurts their cause.
try checking into things and asking people who actually have been there before you just run off at the mouth
@TDA
How is that even a respectable article? It's citations are from articles WITHOUT citations. All you've done, TDA, is prove to use that you're a conspiracy nutjob.
killing 60k innocent civilians and 10k terrorists is not an anchivement...
Ok here we go
"Im glad that we look out for ourselves in certain cases and try to make sure we continue growing as a country. And anyone who gets in our way of making this world a better place deserves the same fate as the terrorist are getting"
Why lol? because you started by saying that you are glad your country started to look for himself and then finished that anyone that get in your way of making this world better place deserves the same fate. Who the hell are you to say that your way is the better way? You do not vote/live/pay taxes in other countries, why should them follow your politics? your way of view?
""we did not go there for the oil we went there because they claimed and mad everyone to believe that they DID have weapons of mass destruction. now it came out they didnt once we got there and smoke checked them but that is not our fault. they made out very hard to get us to believe they did."
They? whos they? i mean the embassador of iraq did say in UNO that they did not have wmd. The inspectors that went into iraq before the war were saying that there was no prove that they had them, the only ones saing that iraq had wmd was CIA
"yes, in fact we have killed 60k + in the war on terrorism between Afghanistan and Iraq...but the media doesnt want you to know that we are doing so well because it hurts their cause."
1- lol
2- the reason for the lol is that you think that you will end terrorism by killing people.
you just dont get it do you...ok
first off the terrorist are not a part of any country they do not claim a county therefore when they attack my country i have every right to defend myelf and attack back in order to prevent from such an instance happening again.
the ambassador (correct spelling) denied having wmd when he realised that we were going to invade but prior to that the country tried to make everyone believe they did! the reason for that was they did not want Kuwait to invade them.
and yes, in order to stop acts of violence is by being more violent. i understand that a lot of people may not like such ideology but that is the way this world has ALWAYS run. politics has never fixed anything in the long run. only action has...so im all for going over there and killing 60k + terrorists (Noir)
and if you dont think that we arent killing terrorists then why do the civilians help us now instead of the terrorist? because the terrorist were killing the civilians...not us! try to use your brain
"the reason for that was they did not want Kuwait to invade them."
loooooooooooooooooooooooooool
evil Kuwait... loool seriosly.... wtf are you smoking?
btw you are aware that there were un-inspectors in Iraq that also said iray has no wmds?
you are aware that there were no terorist in iraq bevor the invasion?
(unless the ones hidding in the kurdish area were no iraqi troops were allowed.. )
(even your own intliegence services claims that.. but pssst)
and now you kill 60k terrorist there... yeah... every death guy is a terrorist i guess?
no death civilians? right?
btw a poor idiot that fights us soldiers isn't a terrorist...
a stupid basdard that kills civilians is a terrorist... no matter if he is from iraq, iran etc. or the us...
"in order to stop acts of violence is by being more violent"
you mean by massivly killing civilians by colderal damange?
yeah that will make the people support you....
"first off the terrorist are not a part of any country they do not claim a county therefore when they attack my country i have every right to defend myelf and attack back in order to prevent from such an instance happening again."
i did not say that you couldn't attack organisation, i also did not say that US does not have the right to defend themselfs, what i did say is that you can't make people do what you want and then ask for people to understand and support you.
"the ambassador (correct spelling)" english is not my native language sorry
"the ambassador (correct spelling) denied having wmd when he realised that we were going to invade but prior to that the country tried to make everyone believe they did! the reason for that was they did not want Kuwait to invade them."
so they were trying to defend themselfs? omg thanks is such i crime!!! Also when a person is send to iraq and then came back saying that they have no wmd why don't you belive them?
"and yes, in order to stop acts of violence is by being more violent. i understand that a lot of people may not like such ideology but that is the way this world has ALWAYS run. politics has never fixed anything in the long run. only action has...so im all for going over there and killing 60k + terrorists (Noir)"
actually it work with ghandi
i can see im fighting a battle of words against a bunch of unintelligent people who refuse to open their mind...that is fine i wont argue this anymore.
i know there are things about the administration that were not done correctly but overall what the US has done has been right in most ways and i fully support and even fight for it.
its a shame people like you refuse to open your eyes and see the world as it really is.
"How is that even a respectable article? It's citations are from articles WITHOUT citations. All you've done, TDA, is prove to use that you're a conspiracy nutjob."
Uh? It's an internet based newspaper. Dunno what's wrong with giving their link.
I know they said this to be true in swe news though, but no reason to look for that since you woulnt understand swedish...
also, read what they write and think for yourself even if you (for some reason) cant trust them at all.
"i can see im fighting a battle of words against a bunch of unintelligent people who refuse to open their mind...that is fine i wont argue this anymore.
i know there are things about the administration that were not done correctly but overall what the US has done has been right in most ways and i fully support and even fight for it.
its a shame people like you refuse to open your eyes and see the world as it really is."
Its you that have been blind. Have you stop to think why there is terrorism?
Freelancer.
Ofc he has: "they are evil people that hates USA cause they are jealous of us."
I know it's an extremely stupid reason, and ofc it's not true in any way. But I bet he belives it 
it has nothing to do with jealousy you fools...it has everything to do with their cause and religion.
they see the west as infidels and wish to kill everyone who is not Islamic. terrorism has always been about religion but people dont like religion so they refuse to admit it. america is a threat to their religion in their minds and so is your country you can bet...but yours isnt as high profile as USA is so therefore you arent targeted like we are
Uhh, islam is a peaceful religion. The religion that cause the most death in history is probably christianity even.
Some people (christians and islamics) tend to cross the line though and see people of other religions as "infidels".
What you said is totaly off though.
And what I said was extremely sarcastic if you didn't notice 
dear dragon, there is history, and there is history in making...
no offence though.
oh and there is quality and quantity, even with death tolls, horrible things have happened and are still happening in the name of all religions, everywhere.
oh and i might have misinterpreted your post cuz i m tired:P
To get into the US military you have to read and write better than most high school graduates, be drug free, not have anything worse than traffic tickets on a police record, not be in debt, be in excellent physical condition and free of long term disease or joint injuries.
Also you have to be ready and willing to stay that way and freely intend to live away from mommy for three years.
Such people don't end up on welfare in 21st century America.
It is 2008 and every person in the US military either volunteered for a lifetime commission, and chose to stay, or volunteered to serve a term since the start of the Iraq war.
People who say "[o deary me]" and refuse to go get booted out, not imprisoned. The way our fd up country is run, those folks have a better shot at a book deal than the ones who serve.
If we think of international trade as a long-term relationship rather than a pirate raid--- then you are [dear friends] and we're better off without you, being proud people with real self-confidence. And if you were really our friend you'd want us with somebody better.
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