Topic: Liberals vs. NDP vs. Conservatives

Name three political parties run by middle age men who wish to tear Canada apart, so who's going to win eh?

I really don't follow the Canadian politics to closely ( mostly because theyre dull as all hell) but I live here and I figure I do need to vote yet I should atleast do so informed. Remember to take your time and do your research before you do so or we might end up with another bush, or zedong, Kim Jong Ill or maybe even a Kerry ( like Canadian politics weren't bad enough lol)

Kadaj

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The entire Canadian public system - the ministries themselves and the parliamentary system including all 3 branches of government, all of it - needs to be deconstructed and put back together properly, and until it is, there's no point in voting for any party; each is as powerless as the other in initiating the transformative innovations necessary in restoring social justice to our country.

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Xeno is Canadian? yikes

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Yikes... oops.  The cat's out of the bag...

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And Canada doesn't have that big a population, so it's only a matter of time before someone sifts you out!  Next time, you should try hiding in India or China.  smile

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But Canada has polar bears

That's how fast it takes for a guy to get whacked

7 (edited by Kadaj 17-Apr-2011 11:30:06)

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I've always wondered what if canadians decided they were sick of all these political parties and voted for the marijuana party; and they managed to legalize it, how bad would the political fallout would be. Specially now that bush isn't in office.

I think the states might follow suit considering Obama seems like he's smoked a few back in the day.

Kadaj

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hey, Kadaj. Looks like we're headed to another minority government and in 2 years probably another couple million down the drain in wasted campaigning

such a waste of money campaigning. all this should just be done online to save the country some freakin money, jets back and forth, pfft the thing draggin our economy is the ridiculous number of polictians on payroll which just seems to grow

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9 (edited by Kadaj 19-Apr-2011 08:46:48)

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Honestly they should use the computers of the public library to do all the voting. They are owned by the municipal government anyways not to mention they are everywhere. It wouldn't take much to set them all up to do it and once it's done it can be re used every year cutting a couple million out of the budget. Do they do it; no of course not.

With all the forms of media they could realistically campaign in their underwear sitting on the couch at their house. So why did they spend like 100k in travel expenses just during the two weeks before the election.

Seriously, there is so much fat (redundancies) in our political system.

The only good thing that any Canadian politician has done was de-criminalize marijuana and that was only the last four mayors of Vancouver.

It's probably a good thing that we are going to have anouther minority government it might keep the NDP or liberals from right (expletive removed) messing up our country. Then canadians might actually do something about those redundancies and begin to elect a representative sample of the population to run our country as a senate. Where real people make the decisions instead of zombie politicians. We can get them to do the paper work.

Let's face it. I should run for prime minister.

Vote Kadaj, lol

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

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only if u buy me lifetime IC VIP >_<

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My favorite though are those ignatieff commercials where he's all trying to make himself look competent. Yet, they somehow have the exact opposite effect. Atleast laytons got that mustache going for him. I wonder if i can sue a politician for false advertising.

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

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@ Kadaj... Here in Ontario, (and I am neutral on the subject...)....

R. v. Mernagh 2011 Ontario Superior Court

On April 12th, 2011, Justice Donald Taliano found that Canada's Marijuana Medical Access Regulations (MMAR) and "the prohibitions against the possession and production of cannabis (marijuana) contained in sections 4 and 7 respectively of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act" are "constitutionally invalid and of no force and effect"[19] . The government has 90 days from this date (until July 11th) to fill the void in those sections or the possession and cultivation of Marijuana will become legal. This includes the non-medical use of the drug. The governing body may choose to appeal this decision, however, if it is denied as their last appeal was, there will be no shortage of scrambling to fix the gaping hole in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, as there is currently no backup plan agreed upon.

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Thank you FA that just made my day! Funny that this happened the day after my birthday ^.^

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

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Hoorah for the third time I'll be allowed to vote on an election between bad, bad, and why not just hang myself.  I'm not even bothering to pay attention to the platforms this time I'm just going to leave it to chance.  4 sided die, 1 - Conservative, 2 - Liberal, 3 - NDP, 4 - Write in a silly name and vote for them.

Seriously though it doesn't matter we've really only got two possibilities.  We vote in the Conservatives who will tax us to the point we need a second mortgage on our homes to buy a loaf of bread, or the Liberals/NDP who will run up national debt to the point we're looking at Mexico as a nice place to put down roots.

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Well out of all the candidates for some peculiar reason I like layton even though he's NDP and of course we all know how poor their track record. He's making some big promises like dropping small business taxes by 2%. Adding a hiring bonus for these small business as well; so every time someone gets a job the company will receive 4500$ in tax credits. He's also promised to refund hst to their perspective provinces. He's also promised to add 2500 police officers - 200 health inspectors. 2.2 billion dollars on upgrading the healthcare system.

I'd like to see if he actually manages to follow through. As we've all heard the same political jargon before.

We have already had Harper in parliament and he has proven himself rather ineffective in accomplishing what he has promised.

And ignattief wants to create essentially a two party system like the states and we all know how innerective that can be when it comes to protecting our social welfare. Ex. The u.s housing projects and privatized healthcare system. Personally I can't trust a Canadian who has been brainpanned by American philosophy. Not to mention he wants to tax us to the point where a box of kraft dinner will cost 5$

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

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I should run as an independent...lol big_smile

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"Well out of all the candidates for some peculiar reason I like layton even though he's NDP and of course we all know how poor their track record. He's making some big promises like dropping small business taxes by 2%. Adding a hiring bonus for these small business as well; so every time someone gets a job the company will receive 4500$ in tax credits. He's also promised to refund hst to their perspective provinces. He's also promised to add 2500 police officers - 200 health inspectors. 2.2 billion dollars on upgrading the healthcare system."

And this is why I generally don't vote small "l" liberal.  Because the NDP and the Liberals generally run on the same promise, "We'll cut taxes and increase spending."  Which sounds great until you realize there's nowhere for the money to come from.  Which leads to huge rises in national debt, which leads to people not being happy with them, which leads to voting in the Conservatives to fix it, which leads to tax hikes, which leads us back to voting in the Liberals or NDP.  What we need is an accounting party.  A political party comprised of nothing but accountants, with no goal other than getting our financial affairs in order.  Not as the government of course but we need them in the government at least.

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Vote mr. Towlie ^.^ lol

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

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The disease is called: Gonorrhea Lectim pronounced " Gonna re-elect 'em," and it is a terrible disease.

The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting your cranium up your rectum. Many victims contracted it in 2008 when they re-elected the Harpes Conservatives at the Federal level and are now starting to realize how extremely destructive this sickness is.

It's sad because Gonorrhea Lectim is easily cured with a new drug just coming on the market called Votemout. It's pronounced "Vote-em-out". You take the first dose in 2011 and don't engage in such behavior again; otherwise, it could become permanent and eventually wipe out all life as we know it in Canada.

Please pass this important message on to all those folks you really care about....

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

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Looks like the conservatives got a majority government. Wtf?

Kadaj

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It's meant to be savored

21 (edited by Fallen Angel 04-May-2011 21:31:09)

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What is most amusing to me, is the simple fact that a VERY LARGE amount of voters, have absolutely no clue about any of the parties' platforms, including the one that they are voting for, lol... smile These people need to stop voting... yikes  Our democratic system is very far from true democracy...if it were a true democracy, every persons vote would matter. Basically, my reasoning behind this is again, relativitely simple...

Conservatives got 39.6% of the vote, NDP got 30.9%, well, for my purposes, the rest doesn't matter... To me,  (rounding up 40% and 31% seems like a pretty divided nation to me...not to mention the other 29%....) So for those not good with numbers, basically...

Of those who voted... 60%+ did NOT vote conservative... which tells me there is still hope for Canada!!! The inherent problem is the fact that when it translates into MP's seats, tories end up with about 55%... Funny considering just under 40% voted for them... but I guess they only needed 35% of the popular vote to form a MAJORITY government... How that makes us a democracy is beyond me...

Now all you hear is conservative rhetoric... "Clearly the Majority of Canada wants a conservative government"... (Ermmm, last time I checked.... less than 40% of voters, doesn't look like a majority to me...) Sure its the most... but in a TRULY fair democratic system, everyone's vote would count...  In our current system, thousands, if not millions do not count, so please refrain from stating outright, that the majority of Canadians wanted conservative...

Sadly, the non-voters are a huge part of the problem... but for things we can semi-control, out of the people voting, only 3.96 out of every 10 people voted conservative... If there was one thing I would change, it would either be to add more seats in parliament, OR, it would be to make the number you need to form a "Majority" higher... Lets say 203 seats (of 308)... as opposed to 155(of 308)... yes, 155 may = 50.3% of seats, but it does NOT even remotely represent 50% of voters...

Based on the 167 seats that the tories won this time around, I'd say that since their total voter % was 39.6%, but actually represents 54.2% of the seats, seems like a lack of fairness in larger areas... (or in other words), the reason for this is because many political areas known as "ridings", often have radically different populations... so one riding might have 3,000 people, while another might have 30,000 or even 100,000-500,000+... Mine specifically has about 120,000 or so... If 60,000 people vote...Let's say 25,000 conservative, 20,000 NDP, 13,000 liberal, 2000 green/other... Well, 35,000 people's votes just meant diddly squat...

Obviously this is just the way it works and I'm not implying that they should overhaul every riding in Canada to get a better cross-section vote... but it irks me when I hear right wingers droning on about how our system is extremely representative of the population in general,etc... and if they won a majority that means like 7-8 of 10 Canadians voted conservative... Actually, its not even 4 out of 10... Then they just look at you, like you're automatically some left wing hippie or something... yikes

Ummmm, no, its definitely not representative, not sure if you passed grade 2 math, but it seems to me that 35,000 in my riding, do not hold the view of 25,000 others... by no means would I consider this to be "representative"... Statistically, that means of every 10 people you asked that voted, almost 6 would say they voted for a party other than the conservatives....

Pfffff, sure let Harper continue... He's just the present-day evolution of Mulroney or Clark...  and last time I checked a 30+ billion dollar expenditure for fighter jets doesn't seem like a wise course of action to fix national debt,  (I'm all for defense,etc, but isn't that what the US is for? smile This "economic action plan" BS is a play on words, what it really means is:

"We are going to make new jobs, but we have to cut a few things first... like new healthcare funding, (ALL foreign aid, as of 2010),1.2 billion in childcare subsidies, first nations development projects, yeah, um, they don't need that $5 billion we promised to fix their clean water issues we created by letting oil companies build upstream of them...), oh and the $1.4 Billion in subsidies we said we'd take from the oil companies... we'll let them keep that, so maybe they can help the First Nations out? smile On the bright side, we have some nice new shiny fighter jets that haven't been built yet!!!"     To paraphrase...lol smile

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i voted libs, but soo many ppl vote NDP, and they are the reason effing conservatives get a majority now :s

the NDP were never going to win, voting for them meant voting conservatives, i bet Harper was ecstatic when the NDP surge happened

23 (edited by Fallen Angel 05-May-2011 01:23:49)

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Actually, its primarily due to the fact that hardcore liberals who think they know something about politics... voted conservative, rather than NDP...otherwise it would be the NDP in power... tongue Myself, the conservatives are too right wing... I think the liberals are, well, too liberal... They seem to have a few leaders who come along and look to be able to affect change, but then it falls apart, (or they end up inheriting someone's mess, ex: poor Paul Martin...)... In any event, its pretty simple, blue and red have had their chance... I'm pretty sure the NDP (despite being a bit further left than my ideals), couldn't do much worse than the conservatives spending a cool 30+ billion here, chopping a few billion off social programs and foreign aid there...lol big_smile


Well, since Mr. Harper now has no real road blocks as a majority, (no sarcasm intended), he should have the green light to "git'er-done", we shall see! I want my 10K TFSA now!!! smile

AOD~EOD~TDO~

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So does this mean we can welcome Alberta in to the US and get their oil yet?

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"i voted libs, but soo many ppl vote NDP, and they are the reason effing conservatives get a majority now :s

the NDP were never going to win, voting for them meant voting conservatives, i bet Harper was ecstatic when the NDP surge happened"

Actually had more left wingers voted NDP (banking on the party that might keep it's promises rather than the one that never has) the NDP could have won.  Not entirely sure I'd enjoy that, but it could have happened.  The NDP surge is actually really good for Canada because it breaks people out of the two party mentality we've had for far too long.  For as long as I can remember every election has been about whether the Libs or Tories would win, there were no other contenders anyone honestly thought could win.  Now we have the Libs, Tories, and NDP to consider and it makes politics a lot more interesting when you can't simply decide who you don't want in power.  That's why I voted Conservative; not because I think they'll do a good job but because I know the Libs would do far worse, and I hadn't given the NDP the time of day.

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