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good idea.. just consider the fact that the problem might not lie with my fam but at your own.. 
Jets2k8
Solar Commander
Re: [Pretenders vs Contenders] MW Rnd 32
11 Our leader is Ewol, beware! (811) (x:72,y:61) 11 12100 Last round 636 with huge plans yet died early and didn't do much for the rest of round. they are back with a vengeance This fam will surprise many. Not as easy out this round. Decent location and they are contenders for top 10
thank you jets, this is a BC family and we won't back down, so if it happens that we have to have a war (like last round in expo) we will, the only reason for the game is fighting.... but remember everyone that fought us ended up lower than us, our rep is solid.
that means you didn't fight anybody in the top 10 last round =p
i win
spidergay!
they fought one fam 68 and died.
I like the tension between 61 and 45 now. 99 and 88 may have a grudge war sometime in round.
their will be no war outta a grudge from last round...I've talked with Nightwish and I dont see it happening cause of grudges held from the past
grudges are stupid, respect the person you fought, and we fought two families last round and decimated them, then a lower family tried to get at us and we had a better fight then any of the rest.
i was threatened by gary about exploring in the northern part of sector 1 last round multiple times, trust me, its not uncommon for people to threaten allies. @ elro
Yes, maybe an idea: Become allies, know each other dirty secrets, start rape your ally..!
> Spiderman! wrote:
> lol Heavenites there were good attackers in not so big fams last round as well. I watched a lot of fams and saw a lot of good attackers. But no top fam can be a top fam without a good attacker. If you're in a small fam and you can't help them rise then you probably aren't one of the better attackers out there.
I agree with Heavenites. It's damn easy to be a good/successful atk in a big fam, who can afford to replace stupidly lost fleet and wasted res. An, it's damn hard to do so in a small fam, when every gc counts. Which is the better atk? One who has massive fleet, and can throw it away on a whim and get it replaced immediately, or the guy who has limited fleet, and uses it with skill and imagination, and conserves every unit he can, who has to pick an choose his atks and has to make each one count?
An, dont say a top fam cant be top without top atks. That's crap. We have all seen infra-whore fams with good/great diplos make it top ten, and finish there, without so much as fighting one war.
It's the start strat, not the atks that make a top ten. You get out of the gate fast, and get those planets and the infra and build a good economy. Then you can afford to fund sloppy/lazy/poor atkers, and keep replacing all they lose. It's the infra, and the fleet it can support that makes the difference. If your fam can support a overwhelming crushing fleet, what matter if the opponents have the four best atks in MW? Esp if they cant afford fleet?
An, dont tell atks in small fams its their fault the fam dont rise, that's another load a BS. The best atks in small fams are the defenders and retakers. Small fams have to keep what they have first, and build on it. Small fams cant fund overly aggressive farming type atkers, like the big fams can.
Which leads to another point. By what criteria do you judge an atker?
An, a further point: why hasnt this entire discussion been moved to another thread by the mods?
lol someone put ic death as best attacker, i almost choked.
WTF is wrong with u ppl ?
645 had strategy for all round..
We haven't fought any big fam due we had too many planets in our personal core to clear..
3k+ pl is bad result ?
Learn how to plan the round, then whine that we were farmers and our attackers suck..
Is that clear enough ?
Everyone knew that we were in S1, but our main core was S3-S4..
All big fams were cleared by me and NW from it..
Due that we had 0 big wars and perfect econ
Enough about 645 i think..
Eh, my point exactly.
"Due that we had 0 big wars and perfect econ"
"We haven't fought any big fam due we had too many planets in our personal core to clear..
3k+ pl is bad result ?"
An, you claim to have good atkers? You fought no wars, you avoided em, and infra-whored. You were a big fam, who could afford sloppy, lazy inept atkers, and keep funding them, an you did.
hummy as i understand what ya saying. I also disagree. As attackers in big fams can be lazy at times.you may say well they had more to work with thier not better. for that one round yeah they are.
you say well attackers in small fams have to retake and keep the planets they have. yeah and this hurts them from getting more.retaking isn't something that makes an attacker great.
To be honest mw was weak in attackers last round. the ones i seen and fought against yeah was mostly from top fams ,but some smaller fams guys could of done more so i noticed them. for 1 round of judgement top attackers were in the bigger fams.
As I said before, the best atks are the ones who work with next to nothing, and still succeed. The best atks, arent in large fams. The guys doin atks and takes on a shoestring, defending their fam, doin retakes and a few takes, are the best.
As I tried to say before: an atk in a small fam, cannot easily replace his loses. He cant even fund his atks or maintain his fleet. But, eh, he does it any way. The best atk in the game is limited by this. I challenge anyone to be a good atk under this situation. An, I have seen some do it.
look the point is, only a few fams had the balls to even consider fighting us, I think that says it all. Pitbulls fam and marks fam, mark can vouch for this nighty picked out the weakest baner defencive whise and tazos went down 50-100 pl.
And I could never understand the farming, let me get it straight, when is an aggressive action farming?
-if it involves taking planets from a small fam?
--but is it still farming if that small fam took 10 pl off you first, or is that something alse.
-when is a fam considered small?
--We warred 9th ranked fam and we were ranked 3th, everybody said farming. Now it could be that the general level of play is so below average that you now can only war top 5 fams without being called a farmer.
-my last and probably most important point, why is farming called farming?
--my grandfather was a farmer I saw him do some sick shit to animals smaller then him but thats about the only link I can see lol
lol given that your fam declared war and tried to get about 200 planets at eor from the weakest family that wasn't at war just to keep up with Genesis. I'd say that you guys can be considered farmers =p
That's like saying 666 played a great round because nobody had the balls to fight them.
Thank god i wasnt in 645 last round! Building infra all round long must have bored the entire fam, did many ppl return this round? 
Jep it was really boring to humiliate your fam blackout, so we decided to avoid any wars last round
how can you tell for someone else what is boring and whats not ... 
no cause 666 napped everybody
And we never had a day without a war so it wasn't that boring
And everybody should be farmers then africa would have food!!! NOOBEHS
Lew Lew... plz u should really not be talking at all, u were 1 lazy inactive guy with a big mouth who was betraying his allies at the right moment they needed help. Nightwish can talk he did the work for ur fam but u did shit.
Nightwish did do a lot of attacks but indeed system clearings, also a lot of small fams have been grabbed by them, and the end 200 planets they took from what was 42? sick.
That fam of pitbull attacking u and what happend? U were PNAPPED to them after like 1 day, because they had u by the balls. They were holding strong and also my fam have been fighting them for quite some time, but we didnt give them pnap 1 day after fights started, we fought them untill we went into war wioth an other fam.
Grudges?? no i dont have that, but we will see who is the best fam around this round, a lot of strong fams so everything can happen --> this is gonna be a good round with a lot of skill, and hopefully everyone will play with honor:
Dont take more than 15% of a fams total planets, unless those idiots dont want to nap, in that case rape them.
Dont massively attack or war fams below 10 places from u in ranking.
And dont break naps
Love I don't know how long your fam will last. you have a nice base core. but like i said would love to see your fam die fast. I think you would pwn 88 though in a 1 vs 1.
88 does have the better ally though.
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