So, you don't agree with laws, just shoot people.

Kittah doesn't think that's gonna work.  Because that means everyone will be shot sooner or later from here to eternity under the auspices that they were doing it because either god said so, or for "freedom."

Sorry, I'm one of those that believe in TOUGH gun control laws.

They aren't feasable in the U.S. because the republicans are a bunch of gun toting, lets give them hell, shoot first ask questions later sort of group.

That and americans are ingrained with, "I'm an american. I have rights!"

Your rights, my rights, Gabrielle's rights, the shooters rights.

Us americans, all believe that we have god given RIGHTS.

Well as an american and a United States citizen, I can pretty much tell you where you can stick those rights, but i've been told this is a kinder, gentler, Politics forum, so I will refrain.

But seriously we abuse those rights.  And when rights are abused, they should be taken away.  I mean the shooter, what was his problem?  His lawyers are going to go for the mental disease angle.  Everyone in politics is saying that it was politically motivated because of what Obama said, or what Palin said.  But I disagree.  You have several individuals over the period of 250 years or so, stating that they have god given rights do act in any way, shape or form, to comit an act of trangression.  And that transgression is the wholesale murder of ...well of anyone they don't like.

Take Texas for example, the rule of law states, anyone on your property that you deam a threat to you or your family, you can kill.  They also have the old law where you find another man sleeping with your wife in your bed, you can shoot them both, and get away with it.

Now that's a liberty that goes to far, and has been abused.  And I swear to you, you over-use your god given right to keep spamming Quotes in Politics forums, i'll shoot you myself.  Oh, and no I don't own a gun, so me shooting you would be kinda hard for me right now.  I suppose I should go out, buy a gun, find where you are, and shoot you, AND all those people near you, so that I might not have a chance to miss my target.

I hope that my god given right, and liberty to justify my actions, causes you great fear.  Because you should fear the kittah.  The man that does not own a gun, says he's gonna go out and buy a gun, just to shoot you.

Like most of your psychiatrists have stated, and yes I know you've seen one, "How does that make you feel?"

without that one all the others fall

"So, you don't agree with laws, just shoot people."
if that is a reply to me, read the last sentence. If it is a reply to yell, note he was being sarcastic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41027365/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001

Near the bottom of the story, the Republican talks about "God Given Rights."

Why is it, the republicans state what rights GOD gave us? Seriously, as I remember it, Church and State are seperate.  When republicans tell us what are God Given Rights are, that to me means trouble.

That Arizona freely made a law that debunks the right of a few religious zealots aim to picket a funeral, what does that say about the rights of those who wish to picket under the 1st amendment right of free speach.

  Welllllllllllllll............. do pray tell.  What we have here is a mans right to shoot somebody else because they don't agree with someone elses politics.  God given right to bear arms of course.  And the freedom of speach right is now not allowed within 300 feet of a funeral in Arizona.  After all, their just picketing and holding up signs, it's not like they are going to the funeral to start shooting people.

Now do you people understand why I say, you people are a little bit to greedy with your rights as you believe them to be?

Yay! Religious Wars! You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll kiss your sabbaticals goodbye!  Coming to a political forum near you.

Who ever said the human race was enlightened?  Such a big word.  Enlightened.

I'm sorry to say, I've never met an enlightened politician in my entire 39 years of life.  And something tells me, neither have you.

well, first step in the direction of gun control would be to just stop selling them. cutting supply will, in due time, cut the problem.

"Why is it, the republicans state what rights GOD gave us? Seriously, as I remember it, Church and State are seperate.  When republicans tell us what are God Given Rights are, that to me means trouble."
Why is it everybody generalizes republicans to one big group of religious zealots? There are a lot of Christians but extreme christian fundamentalists are still a minority and are also part of the democratic party.

"What we have here is a mans right to shoot somebody else because they don't agree with someone elses politics."
Which is wrong, but nobody here contests that. We disagree with the fact that the shooting is a direct result of anti gov sentiment.

"God given right to bear arms of course."
I never heard that argument EVER before on this forum. And I've been here from the start.

"Now do you people understand why I say, you people are a little bit to greedy with your rights as you believe them to be?"
What do you mean with "you people"? It all smells like prejudice to me.

"You do remember my arguements since you've been here from the start right?"
I know your stances on gun laws. But who ever said "god given right" without being sarcastic or just using the expression but not meaning it literally?

"Yes Little Paul, I'm prejudice against those who do drugs and also those who believe that the right to bear arms is a god given right."
ok. But I accused you of being prejudiced about the "you people" you addressed obviously referring to people on this forum.

Of all religious people defending gun laws I know here,  I cannot remember one telling us God had given him to right to bare arms. Of course its impossible I've read everything back then when the forum was still active, but can you give us one name then?

> avogadro wrote:

> > [TI] Primo wrote:

> well, first step in the direction of gun control would be to just stop selling them. cutting supply will, in due time, cut the problem.

we stopped selling illegal drugs and they're still easily available to just about every american in highschool, why would stopping the sale of guns be any more effective?

As a good is banned from legal trade, its only two sources of illegal distribution are import and domestic production.  In terms of domestic production, it's generally much more difficult to produce a firearm than to produce drugs, as the very variety of available drugs means producers can adapt to find a product suiting their capabilities.  Firearms have a much more basic, rigid requirement structure.

In terms of imports, I'm willing to bet that domestic America is probably not the best trade route for arms dealers.  Individuals in the international firearms smuggling business have their choice of African warlords, terrorists, Central Asian and Eastern European powers, rogue states, and South American rebels, none of which have the strongest of border security to worry about, largely because domestic matters are more pressing in many regions.  What makes the US some awesome source of firearms smuggling post-ban?

Disclaimer: I'm not with the gun control advocates on this issue, necessarily.  Consider this a Devil's Advocate game. 

> Godwin's Law wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:

> > [TI] Primo wrote:

> well, first step in the direction of gun control would be to just stop selling them. cutting supply will, in due time, cut the problem.

we stopped selling illegal drugs and they're still easily available to just about every american in highschool, why would stopping the sale of guns be any more effective?

As a good is banned from legal trade, its only two sources of illegal distribution are import and domestic production.  In terms of domestic production, it's generally much more difficult to produce a firearm than to produce drugs, as the very variety of available drugs means producers can adapt to find a product suiting their capabilities.  Firearms have a much more basic, rigid requirement structure.

In terms of imports, I'm willing to bet that domestic America is probably not the best trade route for arms dealers.  Individuals in the international firearms smuggling business have their choice of African warlords, terrorists, Central Asian and Eastern European powers, rogue states, and South American rebels, none of which have the strongest of border security to worry about, largely because domestic matters are more pressing in many regions.  What makes the US some awesome source of firearms smuggling post-ban?

Disclaimer: I'm not with the gun control advocates on this issue, necessarily.  Consider this a Devil's Advocate game. 

the cocaine and heroine that are primarily in the US is smuggled across the border and the US government has been unable to reduce their availability. 

as for the argument that firearm smugglers would overlook smuggling into the US because of a border protection that has proven ineffective at stopping drug trade; then i have to point out that the US is the third largest country by population and one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a border that is not effectively controlled; it would be extremely inviting to gun smugglers.