revalons is the most boring race in IC and guarantees a crap round. get a decent custom banker race

Population growth: -30%
Income: 50%
Research: 50%
Attack: -30%
Magic: -30%
   
Spells
Find Target Planets
Space Amazement

Operations
Spy on Target
Infiltrate
Place Nukes
Destroy Units
Terminate Scientists
Sabotage Portal
Investigate Portal
Planetary Infrastructure
Specials
Tax Office

thats a pretty decent race.

revs give a crap round as u cant do any decent ops. thereofre there is little to really do other then build which soon gets boring, particularly if ur using a fam bank and cant build for several days at a time.

the above ops allow you to keep an eye on the enemy planets, enemy savings, enemy news which is an important part of the strategy of the game. Du, sab and terminate are more aggressive ops which you may need to use to help your attackers. ip and pi are information ops which r always needed in any family. an active banker with these ops is always in demand in this game.

Wow this is really confusing

I wilkl probably sit down reading FAQ but based on the response i got on IRC someone is putting theyre money on .:]FfT[:. ~Damon~ 's Advice.

Its just really confusing how both things seems logical thou ? What is popbanking ?

no, to be good you have to be active. and u cannot be bored and active in the longterm; either the boredom decreases or the activity decreases!

so u either decrease the boredom by playing a more fun race and become good as a result,
or u decrease activity and never become good.

so if u r new and u wana play good, b custom.

also, the custom ops i talked about introduce you to different aspects of the game which is important if u wana b good.

ive read the guide thanks

as for the social side of things, if ur gona b on irc and b communicative, then having ops is key. nothing worse then ur most active banker on irc all day but not able to do any ops for u.

if u wana b lazy, just build and aid out, revs r best imo.

if u wana play an important role in the fam, help out with ops and planning and essentially become a good player in the process, custom is the way.

i guess both options are good, depending on how you define a good player. for me personally, simply buiding and aiding out doesnt qualify you as a good player. revs are good for the lazy player who isnt that active!

Ice - I dare you. Name one race that makes more cash income as a CF/TO-banker than Rev. Equal Infra. GO. While you figure a good answer, I'd ask you not to take your boredom with the game out on people that are new to the game. They should get the chance to do their role the way it was meant to be done.

In comparacy, I dont cut bread with a spoon because it makes it more interesting. I use a knife that is specially made for that specific task. Kinda like how Revalon is for CF/TO banking, is it not ?

The best possible banker is the one making the most income, at the lowest cost while maintaining a healthy activity/communications-rate. That is what a banker is. A money-maker. If you want to be something else, then that is fine, but then you are not a banker. You are a bastard-mix. In other games known as multiclass. Which no matter how you see it makes you weaker at your main focus.

Do you need a link for the guide, Ice ?

I'll take the bet! With equal infra.... I'll take a custom race with 50% income and 50% science and a 15% economy bonus.

I win, you lose sadly

and yet another topic starting as a help thread turning into someone arguing with someone else.............................

> cptwilk wrote:

> and yet another topic starting as a help thread turning into someone arguing with someone else.............................

Its a strategy thread, its a post asking whats the best strategy. Ofc there r gona b discussions about what people think. If there was no discussion, then the strategy forum should be shut down. Point is, people play differently as its a strategy game and therefore lots of different strats add to the game.

If you want one perfect answer for this thread, then there would need to be a perfect strategy which we would all play by and the game would get boring very quickly.

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hmm thats alot of points dimpel

right...

Im not sure i am confused

'To become a good banker you produce cash, do retakes and maybe help your family with relations and so further!
Revalon is the race to get the most cash out, and it isnt just 1 more gc, it is a lot more gc in the long turn! '

I am aware that the difference is greater! My example about 1gc was simply to prove that damons point was incorrect and my example higlighted that. If you remember, damon said 'The best possible banker is the one making the most income' and I wanted to make it clear that this isnt always the case, using a simple example.

Your post about personality i agree on, I spoke about this in my 4th post and described the type of player who might suit custom or revs here.

'But you dont need operations to be a "good" banker! A good banker know how to bank, he do retakes help with raids and defend his planets heavy. To be a good banker i dont need to cast operations. Honestly, i mainly play revalon because i have other people casting ops and i just want to produce cash to supply my attacker and resourcer or the whole familybank. '

The thread has discussed becoming a good banker and a good player in the process. This is what Aelah posted about originally.
You may be fortunate to have other people casting ops for you, that suggests you have good fams. However, try and survive in an inactive fam with revs when you dont have people available to do ops!

If your arguing that revs are good if you have a good fam, then there is some truth in that. But im talking about becoming a good player/banker, not how to play in a good fam.

But take away the good family and revs have no one to rely on! Its the same with camaar, too reliant on a good active fam. A camaar could be a good attacker (could have the biggest fleet, best spread and most successful attacker in a round)  if he is in a good fam to help him (extra cash for his rc and lack of ops - same as revs). But overall, across 20 rounds, a camaar isnt a good race to choose. This is the exact same with cfbanking as revs.

'While i play revalon i still can be productive on other terms! I can check cores for intruders, i can run a family strategy and i can play the market.
To play the market is one of the important parts for a banker. Keep that in mind. Always use a few ticks of your cash income to play the market and gain extra cash.'

Last point thank God! That equally applies to custom or revalons ofc! But I guess I can add: except you can chec cores for intruders, I can find out laser count, if its portalling and then check what tick he got the planet and what his con % is so I know when the portal is in plus his savings, thus helping me decide family strategy better and this may stop me selling my endo on market if i know we are about to be raided But as its strategy thread, those points are very important for bankers!

In conclusion:

1) If your in a top fam, both organised and active, afew revalons can work well. But for the majority of rounds when your not in this type of family, the customs banker owns.
2) Back to the point of this thread about becoming a good player, having ops is key to the strategy of the game. Too few players and too little activity now adays to rely on other people - a good player should have his own ops to find out key info in this strategy game. This will also enable a new player to better understand the dynamics of the strategy as opposed to just aiding and building and never really understanding the importantance of info ops in relation to winning rounds.
3) I don't hate revs, they have there uses. But majority of rounds I play they are not suited as well as custom, nor are they as fun! They do make very good pop bankers though.

Damon - 'There is only one banker race if you are going with CF's. Its Revalon.'
Damon - 'We can also agree that the best player does not have to be a revalon-playing CF banker.'

Are we agreeing? Or are you changing your mind from what you said earlier? The debate becomes pointless as you say, if we start to contradict ourselves. So you have either changed your mind to my point of view or you have an arguement that goes against itself???? No wonder the new players are going to hell if they experienced players are not making it clear

Damon - 'The question, as I read it was how can I be the best possible CF/TO banker.'

Now, I read it a different way hence maybe why we are seeing things differently. Let me explain:

> Aelah wrote:

> So i am really trying to teach this game so i can be a good player. Also since it is based on co-operation as far as i understand with some families playing with a family bank.

He meant learn, not teach, that was a typo im guessing. So he is trying to learn the game to be a good player. My whole arguement hasnt touched upon who makes the most income, in fact i've agreed revs make more several times yet you keep bringing this up??? All my arguements have been centred around becoming a good player and a good banker.

Damon -
'If everyone goes into a random fam as semi-SS banker/attacking oppers, then you will have a fam that is bound to go to hell.'
Yet...
''If you drop into that bottom fam, you might aswell go SS.''
Yet...
'And really..Ice...you do NOT want our newer players to go to hell ? Really ? You cant mean that.'

So from your advice, if some players goes into a lower ranked fam, they should all SS yet there family will go to hell because of people being SS, and your advising against this happening? ie your advising against your own advice?

Hmm, well I got one quote from you that is correct at least - 'This debate is pointless.'