Glad tidings to all, goodwill to all men puts a damper on ranting uselessly online.

I usually post from work :s

Two main factors prevent me from posting here.

1: Busy with other stuff.  Side note: Justinian, find me on chat some day!
2: The most active topic here is a gay marriage topic.  I never really liked social topics... too many unsubstantiated views and not nearly enough evidence to back things up.

i'll take a more optimistic stance then Justinian. We have all grown older, and in older age have become more willing to accept differences in opinion and less motivated to debate with people that hold those differences in opinion.

i also blame over-moderation for scaring off productive members of the community and limiting the content that we can debate.

finally lol @ Justinian for calling me offensive.... i think many people find him far more offensive. I try to look at things from different perspectives, to get a better look at a feel for an issue and sometimes try to push debates we have had a thousand times to new areas.

> avogadro wrote:

> finally lol @ Justinian for calling me offensive.... i think many people find him far more offensive. I try to look at things from different perspectives, to get a better look at a feel for an issue and sometimes try to push debates we have had a thousand times to new areas.

Note, though, that Justinian (with some exceptions, granted) is often considered "offensive" due to the nature of his opinion, rather than the way in which he explains that opinion.  You can't really censor someone's opinion as offensive... otherwise, pretty much anyone could be censored if the other side is passionate enough about their viewpoint.

Now, if you're calling Justinian out on the method in which some of his opinions are expressed, that's understandable.  Just want to note that a distinction must be made.

@The Yell

We've had that discussion here before as well, if I remember correctly. Initially, I was of the opinion that the controller, albeit in the wrong, didn't do much harm. Though the more I thought about it, the more I came around to the conclusion that it was an extremely bad idea.

In fact, there was discussion of that on the other board I mentioned as well. The pool was rather evenly split, with controllers and pilots alike weighing in. There was even an ex-JFK "insider" who refused to comment on the public boards due to the (then ongoing) FAA investigation, but nevertheless did his best to go to bat for his contemporaries that were working in the cab that day. I can certainly understand and sympathsize with his viewpoint.

However, I don't think it was a very good idea precisely because of reasons such as the public backlash. JFK runs an otherwise tight ship, it's a VERY busy airport with extended periods of high saturation that would break most junior controllers. Non-hackers are weeded out very rapidly, and often long before they ever reach the level of local controller (or "tower"). Controllers everywhere are held to very high standards, with good reason. And controllers at some of our nation's busiest airports (like JFK, LAX, Boston-Logan, La Guardia, O'Hare, etc) are under even greater pressure to "set the example" so to speak.

As commercial pilots, crew resource management (CRM) is drilled into our training curriculums from flight school all the way through company ground schools and our mandatory checkrides. A critical aspect of CRM is "sterile cockpit" procedures. Generally this part of the lesson focuses on when it is appropriate to speak up during sterile cockpit conditions. The sterile cockpit rule, as it is known, is actually a law in the United States. It limits nonessential conversation between flight crew members under specific conditions -- namely the phases of taxi (when the aircraft is moving on the ground under its own power), takeoff, and landing. The whole idea of the sterile cockpit is to limit distractions during the more critical phases of flight in an effort to reduce the number of accidents and incidents caused primarily by human error.

The air traffic controller is not on a flight deck, but he or she is still expected to devote their undivided attention to what is happening right in front of them; be it on their scopes, what they can see out the window, or what have you. For this reason, visitors are strongly discouraged inside TRACONs and tower cabs. Turning the cab into a daycare most certainly qualifies as gross misconduct in this regard.

The kids did very well at issuing what terse instructions they were told to say, and it would appear from the audio recordings that it was probably not one of JFK's busier moments. But complacency and good intentions are the mother of all [ ] ups. Call it luck, call it a momentary lapse in judgment, call it whatever you wish: the fact that nothing happened is fortunate, regardless if it's a matter of coincidence or not.

You may tell the "libertarians" I said so.

House Jarvin has a padawan

ok, correction, bad moderation in general...

no posts critical of mod decisions!

you are number 6

> Keerb wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:

> > [RPA] Arocalex wrote:

> I usually post from my ASS

lol, nice one

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This is funny just because of Arocalex's signature.

I can't believe people don't take my sound advice.

Yeah it counts double for them. I just came to dislike it, it lost all it's meaning to me.