1 (edited by Godwin's Law 22-Dec-2010 02:16:11)

Topic: omg, HAX0R!

Not sure if any of you guys caught this one.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/bits-before-bombs-how-stuxnet-crippled-irans-nuclear-dreams/?news=123


> In a nuclear enrichment program, a centrifuge is a fundamental tool needed to refine the uranium. Each centrifuge built follows the same basic mechanics, but the German manufacturer Siemens offers what many consider to be the best in the industry. Stuxnet sought out the Siemens controllers and took command of the way the centrifuge spins. But rather than simply forcing the machines to spin until they destroyed themselves

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I'm really not surprised. The Chinese government is already under suspicion of attacking Google and several other major websites of US-based companies. It is at least certain that Chinese hackers were the perpetrators. If they can do it, it's a given that the United States is at least on par, if not light years ahead. I will say that many of the leaked diplomatic cables hint to pressure from Middle Eastern allies to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

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In retrospect, it shouldn't really be surprising that this occurred.

That being said, this is sort of a historic moment.  Not only are we able to see a brand new type of weapon in action, but antivirus software companies have been able to isolate, take apart, and analyze the virus to identify its programs.  In effect, it's just as if the general population was able to see a brand new aircraft, and take it apart to see how it works.

Should be interesting to see how this develops.

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4 (edited by Acolyte 22-Dec-2010 03:06:26)

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@Godwin's Law

One thing a lot of people forget is that the US government has been in the cyber warfare business a lot longer than people realize, at least since the '90s. Obviously, it has made some huge, fumbling mistakes due to the natural inefficiencies of such a large bureaucracy. But to doubt the government's ability to apply itself to doing really malicious stuff is to underestimate their determination.

When you think about it, terrorism is actually a very unpopular form of warfare. It's cost-intensive, the skillsets are hard to come by, and the intelligence gathering is not always solid. There's never a full-on confrontation with troops in Iraq anymore because the odds are clearly stacked against the "insurgents" or whatever the new euphemism is. That, and they probably just don't have the numbers. Computers, computer networks, and the Internet are the only "level" playing fields left. It's the true modern warfare.

Don't get me wrong, conventional warfare involving boots-on-the-ground is still in play. Though if the US Department of Defense's expanding budget since 9/11 is any indication, the battlefield is shifting to more unconventional, even covert, activities.

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I'm not saying that it could ever be doubted that the US could effectively wage cyberwarfare.  However, this is unique.  Cyberwarfare, although definitely within the capabilities of the US military, have rarely been offensively used in a way which the people could actively see.

Saying "we built an atomic bomb" is one thing.  Testing the bomb and showing people how it effectively destroyed targets helps bring the realization that we have entered a new age of warfare.  Although we've known about cyberwarfare's potential for decades, Stuxnet was that test, and the wake-up call to its effectiveness.

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6 (edited by Little Paul 22-Dec-2010 14:04:01)

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It was as simple as using a program to prevent USB sticks to automatically run certain programs to prevent this from happening. A lot of major important companies with an air gap have this. One person could have wrote a trojan based on the same exploits. The other programming takes longer to write but still I doubt the "10.000" hours of programming Microsoft claims. Unless it is done by themselves.

It happens all the time, it is nothing new. The question is why only few people with bad intentions exploit all of this?

7 (edited by Little Paul 22-Dec-2010 14:06:44)

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edit after reading GL posts:
It is however new idd how it is shown to the public.

But maybe -and this is only a theory - its a way Iran can back-out of the nuclear program without loosing face?

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>> It is at least certain that Chinese hackers were the perpetrators. If they can do it, it's a given that the United States is at least on par, if not light years ahead<<
- Spoken like a true American, and highly probable to be completely incorrect. The smart money would be on China being ahead of the US in this area, though the US will be somewhat near the top in any case.



As to the topic, this is indeed an interesting time. If some objectives can be achieved without actually putting "boots on the ground" and guns in the hand it will hopefully lead to a slightly safer world, well safer than if certain governments just march on into random nations and start demanding things.

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i hope it went SPROING and little springs shot out

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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You_Fool: "Spoken like a true American, and highly probable to be completely incorrect."

We'll just never know, will we?

"The smart money would be on China being ahead of the US in this area, though the US will be somewhat near the top in any case."

So you would completely rule out Israel having any hand in this?

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> Acolyte wrote:

> You_Fool: "Spoken like a true American, and highly probable to be completely incorrect."

We'll just never know, will we?

"The smart money would be on China being ahead of the US in this area, though the US will be somewhat near the top in any case."

So you would completely rule out Israel having any hand in this?





As to who did this? NO, Isreal and the US would be near the top of that List, my point on smart money would be that the Chinese would be better at it....

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