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w00t the forums are back!

But since this is politics I should say something political.

How about: Prince Harry is leaving Afghanistan after foreign media reveals his presence. News that Harry was going to go in the first place was kept hidden by the British media because of some deal with the government (I overheard this in a conversation). If this is true, do you think such deals should be allowed?

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2 (edited by avogadro 01-Mar-2008 04:10:16)

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Harry potter in Afghanistan?

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i would hardly call walking through a town in afganistan, having some pictures taken and shooting a 50 cal into rocks is fighting the taliban. would be interesting if he was doing some fighting of some sort but oh well

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Don't put down Harry. He at least put himself in a dangerous position on his own. Unfortunately though, he'll never be given the same treatment as the other troops so while his efforts are noble, they will still be criticized. In any case, this was definitely the right decision. He's a liability whether he likes it or not. Sometimes the media needs to really stfu. I have no idea why his status was announced like that. Unless his family set him up lol

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Shortly after the news of the prince's deployment broke, several Islamist Web sites posted messages alerting their "brethren" in Afghanistan to be on the lookout for the royal soldier.

"O brothers of monotheism, if you find anyone with unusual security in his battalion, know that this could be the Prince Harry. We ask God that he gets caught on your hands," one such posting read.



Source - http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/29/prince.afghanistan/index.html



Commentary - More than anything, even if it he would never get to the throne and it isn't for those reasons that he should be safe, I mean, to give the "terrorists" the great rise in morale having taken out Prince Harry might have amazing repercussions. That's at least what i am thinking =/

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First off, hurray a new forum!

I will miss the old forum, it's look and layout had a certain charm.

As for Prince Harry, it's a shame his cover was blown, extensive fighting experience would've been good for his royal portfolio.

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Why did the media blow his cover? He could have done some great work there.

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Ok first off when was this all done because I recall seeing a headline in a newspaper about Harry going to Afghanistan and that was at least 7 months ago.

As for the media leaking the info I say good, because he is royalty he would have had additional security placed around him which means soldiers would be wasted protecting him instead of doing their job.  Now I agree it was noble of him to try but the military operations in Afghanistan would have been overly disrupted by his presence and the need to protect him.

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10 (edited by Selur Ku 01-Mar-2008 21:15:34)

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> BiefstukFriet wrote:



"As for Prince Harry, it's a shame his cover was blown, extensive fighting experience would've been good for his royal portfolio.."


A bullet through the head would have been even better "for his royal portfolio."

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That smiley made an already wrong post just so much more wrong sad

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12 (edited by Mace 01-Mar-2008 21:55:32)

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> Selur Ku wrote:
>
> A bullet through the head would have been even better "for his royal portfolio."
>
> One less parasite to support big_smile

You demonstrate terrible ignorance of the work and functional position of the British Royals. You also are totally incorrect, in the sense that the royals gave estates to the British that would be worth

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He never should have been allowed to go. He isn't a grunt. He should learn that Royals have more important things to do than run around playing cops and robbers. It was careless and selfish of him.

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Aye, it was. It also served other purposes though. He now has a positive image. Before, he was seen as the bull-headed person with the swastika on his arm and now he's being viewed more favourably by the public opinion (and perhaps the people as well).
He also brought fresh attention (positive one) to the soldiers over there, and I'd say this (small) deed gives them some courage to go on.

It's quite important for people to still view you as special and different before they start wondering why for they give you all this cash. I think it was smart of him to go; a lot to gain and not too much to lose.


Besides, all this economic and utilitaristic thinking has no relevance when considering the opinion of 'the people'; on the common commoners do not think that way.

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Originally he was to go to Iraq but was secretly deployed to Afghanistan instead.

But I'm not sure what is worse about this story...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/29/2176274.htm

That the story was broken in the first place or that the story was out in the public area by an Australian magazine for over a month and a half and no one took notice until it popped up on a US website... I guess no one really reads those womens magazines after all.

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> Theodora wrote:

> He never should have been allowed to go. He isn't a grunt. He should learn that Royals have more important things to do than run around playing cops and robbers. It was careless and selfish of him.

More important things?  Like standing around waving his hand at passing crowds and smiling all day?  Signing up to fight a war always is careless, but selfish? No.  Using your logic, you are calling every person serving in Iraq and Afghanistan "selfish".  He didn't do it out of selfishness, he did it to show he's a normal guy who is actually capable of relating to the average joe.  He's the only Royal who's doing something useful at the minute, except perhaps his brother.

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Theo, does he not have the right to do as he pleases, as long as it is within the law?

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sure, he has the right. but should you do something just because you have the right to do so?

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@Vamp

So if I say Marc is fat, logic dictates that I mean that everyone is fat? I must admit, you use some strange logic.

@Primo

No, he doesn't. He's royalty. With that come certain priveledges and certain responsibilities and restrictions. The state has responsbilities towards him and he has responsibilities towards the state. One of those is not to recklessly endanger himself by cavorting around trying to play hero. He was putting his own wishes ahead of what was best for his state.

Not to mention the added danger his presence posed towards the members of his group.

Not everyone can be a royal, but almost anyone can be a grunt. He needs to learn his place in society and the responsibilities that go along with the priveledges he so enjoys.

Kings, queens, princes and princesses are never free. It's the price of being royal.

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> Theodora wrote:

"He's royalty. With that come certain priveledges and certain responsibilities and restrictions. The state has responsbilities towards him and he has responsibilities towards the state. One of those is not to recklessly endanger himself by cavorting around trying to play hero."

Ok if I'm not mistaken Harry is the younger brother and William is probably wrapped in swaddling to the point he's nearly smothered.  So the probability of Harry needing to take the throne is minimal.  So aside from being present at events Harry doesn't strike me as an individual to take a great interest in the government.  So since he'll probably have absolutely nothing to do with the running of the country why not let him go to war if that's what he wants?

"He was putting his own wishes ahead of what was best for his state."

Isn't this what world leaders and their families have been doing since the dawn of civilization?  But again how does whether or not Harry goes to war effect the state?  Who knows he may rise through the ranks of the military and become a competent leader and finally develope a strategy to fulfill the eternal dream of England to conquer France and reconquer the US.

I love how throughout the western world the children of world leaders and high ranking politicians are criticized for not working for anything they have and when one of them actually wants to you say he shouldn't be allowed.

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I do not see how this has any influence on what is best for his state.
I do see how it puts his buddies in danger if the enemy finds out, but that is something he has to decide on, you can also say that his presence increases morale.
And the state has responsibilities towards everyone, and everyone has responsibilities towards the state..doesn't make a difference.

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> Theodora wrote:

> He never should have been allowed to go. He isn't a grunt. He should learn that Royals have more important things to do than run around playing cops and robbers. It was careless and selfish of him.


Leaders must know how the people under them operate, how they feel, must be able to relate even, if they are to be exceptional leaders of men.

This is something that Harry understands, and England in general understands.

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It's not just about Harry taking the throne, although accidents do happen. He can do more than just run the government. He could be a goodwill ambassador, He could help bring trade to England as well as tourism. He could do more charity work.

Hell, the Man could set up a kissing booth for women's shelters for 12 hours and at 20 pounds a kiss, He could do more good than He could serving in Afghanistan.

It's not so much that He was doing England a great deal of harm (though if He had been killed, it would have been quite harmful). It's just that He's not doing what is best. There are better ways for Him to help His country.

Instead He went off following His own heart with nary a thought for His position and His responsibilities.

And Primo, His responsibilities to the state are different than the vulgar mob's. He is royalty, of a different blood so to speak. He is beyond mere men and has responsibilities beyond that of the average man. He simply hasn't realized it yet. Though in time, I'm sure He will.

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I don't need to dance in the fires to understand that they're hot. A doctor doesn't need to contract a disease to understand it. And believe it or not, to understand people, you do not need to interact with them.

Even if it were the only way, there are still better ways for him to do so that would be of more benefit whilst protecting the royal line. Charity work for instance. Volunteering.

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Soldiering requires a different form of education. There is a reason for the term arm chair warriors. And the spit any real soldier will do towards one who tried to dictate a firefight. There is a reason such persons lose wars as well. All the pomp interferes with true soldiering. Thats why the most successful military services require officers to serve with soldiers first and foremost in combat prior to getting esteemed rank.

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