Topic: Hyperinflation

Will America experience hyperinflation in 2011?

2 (edited by xeno syndicated 09-Nov-2010 10:10:49)

Re: Hyperinflation

No, I think the value of the US dollar will increase.

2015 is when the proverbial !@#$ hits the fan:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-hyperinflation-will-happen-in-america-2010-9/a-slight-but-sudden-rise-in-the-price-of-a-necessary-commodity-1

3 (edited by Little Paul 09-Nov-2010 14:56:00)

Re: Hyperinflation

Its impossible to say short term as I don't know if (how) the currency wars will continue and how it effect global market.

But on the long run, sure thing. Prices will go up and up. The supply of resources can never reach the demand now and it will only increase. Consumer demand will rise (especially in countries like china and india). The price to produce goods won't decrease because of lowering amount of (energy) resources.

Re: Hyperinflation

I think it more likely the government will nationalize the banks, shut down Wall Street and traffic in US regulated commodities and securities, and impose wage and price controls.   We are in an era where the Federal Govt is "endowed" (not by anybody) with authority to Save The Day, whether the Constitution permits or not.

In New Orleans under a moderately right-wing regime, that meant the Army confiscated guns without warrants, evacuated people it thought worth evacuating, detained others in concentration camp for their own good, and allowed them as much economy and community as it deemed fit.

In the Gulf it meant closing beaches to photographers, banning oil drilling and forbidding flyovers to see what was happening.

And remember after 9/11 there was no air traffic in USA for a month.

In a oil crisis we will be ordered when we can drive, how far, and what we pay for gas.  We will be forbidden to order too much cargo from too far away.   We will be rationed.  It won't work, but so what?  The Federal govt is endowed with Authority to Save The Day.

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5 (edited by Little Paul 11-Nov-2010 00:04:22)

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Maybe everything should be rationed. Consumer goods should be numbered randomly to create some jobs in the bureaucracy. People should manually count everything else it could be done by a computer. But let's save some companies first. Even if it has good papers. Better overreacting then having the risk of forgetting one. We couldn't bare.

In any case you will be able to warm your house with dollars soon.

Oh, and we should burn unnecessary consumer goods and use it as fuel.

Re: Hyperinflation

Obama has been approving of a plan to bulldoze Detroit suburbs to create "greenlands" where homes used to be.

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Re: Hyperinflation

sounds like yet another master plan.

Re: Hyperinflation

define: hyperinflation
in germany hyperinflation means the year 1923, when an egg had a price in the billions. prices doubled in days and even hours in the end, total economic and political collapse. 90% of the germans lost everything in merely a year.

Re: Hyperinflation

Please rise as we honor America by singing the National Anthem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A47HVhzF6No

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Re: Hyperinflation

> Firewing wrote:

> define: hyperinflation
in germany hyperinflation means the year 1923, when an egg had a price in the billions. prices doubled in days and even hours in the end, total economic and political collapse. 90% of the germans lost everything in merely a year.>

That is exactly what I mean by hyperinflation.

11 (edited by tavius 12-Nov-2010 15:34:24)

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The bigger fear atm in the U.S is of deflation and a double-dip recession. Everyone assumes that printing more money will automatically feed into much higher inflation but this isn't necessarily true. Japan is the best example of this, they've been printing money since the 90s and borrowing and spending like crazy without being able to successfully reignite inflation. Scary thing is, if they stop - their deflationary trend would probably turn much worse.

The current fear is not that money printing will lead to hyperinflation - the fear is that it may be barely able to prevent deflation.

Re: Hyperinflation

so I am told by Defenders Against Deflation

apparently the science of Economics decided to play with the glossary

I do not believe that a nation that imports 99% of its oil and has had a 20% fluctuation in value against the dollar and has the highest prices for real estate on earth, has not had a decade of rising prices

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13 (edited by tavius 13-Nov-2010 08:19:41)

Re: Hyperinflation

It's hard to believe but it's true. Japan's stockmarket and its real estate have yet to even return to late 1980s levels. Its economy has also gone nowhere since then too.

14 (edited by The Yell 13-Nov-2010 15:56:43)

Re: Hyperinflation

yeah I figured "inflation" won't refer to fuel and food.

I don't think we WANT US real estate to return to 2008 prices.  Those were grossly inflated and sustained only by massive borrowing. Better to have capacity housing at lower values, which is where we're heading.  The purpose of home ownership is returning to OWNERSHIP rather than speculation.

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Re: Hyperinflation

It's funny to see the American right wingers finally realising how screwed we are.

Where is Black Wing?  I'd like to hear what he'd have to say.

Re: Hyperinflation

finally?  we started printing money and guaranteeing wall street in 2008

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17 (edited by tavius 14-Nov-2010 06:51:01)

Re: Hyperinflation

Deflation doesn't just mean cheaper prices, it leads to major economic problems as well because it discourages consumer spending and capital investment plus once it takes hold - it's difficult to pull out of a downward spiral. Bernanke is a student of the Great Depression and it's obvious he's trying to avoid making the mistakes that were made back then. I agree it's ridiculous to give real estate/stockmarket investors essentially a one way bet because it leads to overspeculation but what's the alternative really?

The choice is between money printing or possibly another depression.

Re: Hyperinflation

Only the government can cause stagflation.  I will take a stronger dollar and risk the "depression".  I think those fears are wildly overrated, oversold by a class of investor/manager that fears its own bankruptcy.

It is in the national interest to have a Wall Street.

It is not necessarily in the national interest to have THIS wall street.

Some university took a list of the top 400 wealthiest Americans in 1900 and tracked their heirs.  Only about 5 were still on a list of the top wealthiest in 2000.  Turnover is healthy, from the national perspective, and that's supposed to guide policy.

If we lost the top 3% or even 10% of the US commercial class, we can still be a magnet for investment from the top 1% of the rest of the planet, and grow.

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Re: Hyperinflation

i wouldn't invest in the US with such a political system. blockades everywhere. both US-parties cry for is protectionism. get a modern constitution! every healthy state changed the constitution every 50-60 years at least one time.
half of the states are ruined like california. the ferderal dept looks like a black hole.
education levels are very low. lawyers on every corner, but skilled workers?
for the next 10-20 years the US is out and china is top.
since the end of the cold war the world is changing and for the first time the US stands on the side watching instead of controlling. no ideas, no hope, no work.
the G 20 summit in South korea showed the new balance of power. the US is merely a market behind china and in a decade ruined.

Re: Hyperinflation

@tavius:
cheep energy is the base of our economy, even food production.
If I'm not mistaken, you once said there will be an oil shortage.
So no money on earth printed on paper will hold much value when that happens.
There will be serious decrease in production.
When supply becomes very expensive, why would paper or gold hold any value?

Re: Hyperinflation

>>every healthy state changed the constitution every 50-60 years at least one time.<<

and how many were occupied during/after a world war?

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Hyperinflation

> The Yell wrote:

> >>every healthy state changed the constitution every 50-60 years at least one time.<<

and how many were occupied during/after a world war?



the allies were lucky wink