well he got endorsed by edward now

and hillary just can't seem to accept the fact that she has absolutely NO CHANCE in hell to win this, unless a comet drops at a obama rally or something like that

even then, i think clinton won't win

it's preety much obama our new president now..unless bush calls in his cousins at fox again

mccain will be beat

now the question is, who will beat obama to beating mccain

i suspect a bush and mccain tag team, but well who knows,

@ Gladiator.

Look up the 1980 Democrat Primary.

Never say never when you are talking about a Dem candidate named "Clinton"

This is the same group that when Pres. Bush on inauguration day, Clinton had a Press conferance at the airport to say goodbye.

She is taking the fight to the convention....and it will be ugly.
If she really cared about her party, she would have dropped out a long time ago.

Democrats are EVIL politicals.  They have no morals.

BW, obama has forgotten about clinton, mccain has forgoten about her, the math is done with her, the media is done with her, bill is done with her

there is NOOO BLOODY chance in HELL that clinton will win this, i'm ready to bet my soul

no bloody chance, NONE!!

i excpect obama as the winner by the end of may/early june

if on may 31st they do decide to count florida and michigan, excpect an even faster move towards obama from the superdelegates

and supall .."and many will vote for Obama just because he's black" -- do you mean many won't vote for him cuz he's black? but if you did mean that, then there is a great # of people who would rather die than see a black man in office, it's the sad truth, but nothing can be done about that

and BW you could not imagine the pressure she's receiving right now to drop out, i give her credit for staying in this far, i do really blame it on her campaign, but more so for her lying, if she had run it like obama, i would prlly be with her as well ..---i honestly think with her attitude lately, especially the day when she gave an interview to all the media, and then obama blew it away with the edward endorsement, which i believe will really put the unions and blue collar workers behind obama, that attitude of clinton told the whole story, she's done with the race, she knows herself she can't do much about it now

Obama should have been the nominee 2 months ago.
Hillary is NOT gone.  If that were true, should would have lost in W. VA. ... she didnt.

Kentucky May 20th
"According to most of the recent Kentucky Polls, Clinton is having a big lead over Obama; she is leading Obama by some 27% - 32% points among the Kentucky democratic voters. "

http://www.topnews.in/usa/kentucky-democratic-primary-facts-2382

Oregon is for Obama.

From Zogby
Puerto Rico:  June 1st

Research & Research Posted by El Nuevo Dia
Date: 3/31-4/5
Puerto Rico
Added: 5/15/08
Est. MoE = 3.3% [?] ........................... I personally do not like polls w/ a Stat Dev. greater than 3%....but, hey.

Hillary Clinton 50%
Barack Obama 37%
Unsure 13%

June 3:

Montana:
Hillary Clinton 29%
Barack Obama 17%
Unsure 17

New Mexico,  Toss up:   Reason ?  Republicans can cross over.
Barack Obama 48%
Hillary Clinton 42%
Unsure 10%

Its not over.

Gladiator;

After two votes, delegates assigned can then change their votes.
As long as Obama does not have a majority to clinch the nomination, its not over.

The longer the fight continues, the better the chances McCain wins in November.

If this battle goes to the convention, it will be ugly.  Mud will be very thick and full of filth.

Also:
Do you really think Obama is NATIONALLY electable ?  Think about it.

Speak w/Iran's AckmaDingDong w/o any pre-conditions ?
Hamas endorces Obama as a JFK type ?

2 years as a senator is his federal experience.

How much of that time has he spent campaigning for Pres ?  Two years, then on the trail.

BW

no matter what you say, to come out of a shady southside chicago corner, unknown, and run and beat THE MOST globaly known political name and that political killing machine the clintons,

for him to even be where he is, tells you he's got something A LOT of other people don't

clinton did not have even one major catastrophe

obama had tons, wright, bitter comments, bad debating, lapel pin thing, his wife's comments

he had tons more of those, and he's still standing, a nobody senator, with not much experience, not well known, not an insider, no big contacts, and he's still standing

clinton will not take this to the convention, superdelegates will simply not let that happen, w.va was always a clinton state, it will remain a clinton state until clinton is in the race, white rich snobby people for lack of a better definition, heck obama knew he wasn't guna win there, he didn't even touch that state, rather he went for states that matter in the general election, he started his fall campaign the day she won w.va
and yeah she'll win kentucky, but that still won't matter

she only got a net gain of 10 delegates out of w.va -- obama most likely got 19 out of edwards, she has no chance of wining this, absolutely none
if she wins dems will know they just cost themselves the election, for someone to come and over turn, popular vote, more delegates, more states and make clinton win, wouild make a lot of people very very angry

@supall
more people don't vote for him cuz he's black than people who do cuz he's black

> Gladiator wrote:

> @supall
more people don't vote for him cuz he's black than people who do cuz he's black

Glad, it doesn't matter HOW MANY people vote for him based on race.  What matters is where they are.

If your concentration of people who would vote for Obama because he's African American is comprised in solid Democrat states anyway, it doesn't really matter because the dems would win those states anyway.  Now, the racist redneck vote, interestingly enough, would be in Southern states, all of which are hotly contested.

Overall, yeah, the pro-African American vote would probably be larger than the anti-African American vote.  The question is, though, where are each of the voting blocks coming from?

> Gladiator wrote:

> supall i was simply responding to what BW had raised, saying clinton still has a chance..whihc she doesn't
and as far as i'm concerned, the race is over, the fall election has begun...did you see clinton in the media anywhere?
that's old news now..yes on certain tuesdays there might be a little talk, but obama has officially begun his fall campaign, and mccain and obama have already started ripping each others heads off

georgia is a good example for that zarf, correct me if i'm wrong but that's been a repub state?? i forget if it was georgia, or not, i'll look into it later

obama has a good coalition of people
african-american
college graduates
college students
middle-class people
women (he won women in a lot of states, and he won them over a woman..*shocker*)
blue collar workers ( i think after the edward endorsement, adn soon to be clinton endorsement, i think he will get a good enough portion of them)
unions

preety good for an unkown senator

Agreed, it is pretty damn impressive.

Georgia is in that hotly contested South I was mentioning.  It's a swing state, so it's a big win for Obama.

But then again, so are Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi... hell, the entire southeast US aside from Florida, really.

But there's also big African American populations in those states, so it may end up balancing out, which is nice because then we can focus on pure issues, rather than go into these stupid race races.

Damn change eh Yell?

Republican party = socialist agenda now.

unreal.

* * * *

Clinton announced today that, at the convention, Her nor Obama would have enough delegates to clinch the nomination.

ROFL.

I told you a Clinton NEVER does what is good for America or their party.

not really, clinton could have easily dropped out when it was clear that she would be losing the nomination. She just basically felt embarrased that her opponent stuck to his guns, overcame the obstacles and beat her out.

She's just like a little kid and the ppl who voted for her are stupid. "Oh nobody picked me so I'm going to take my ball home." That's just what she's doing. How can anybody who wants the democratic party to win in november, continue to help her split the votes and basically strengthen the republican party in the process. McCain gets more support because the democrats look weaker. Then he gets to be president. Then dies. Then his unknown vice president takes over.

Maybe not precisely what will happen, but the point is that it was clear you had to go with hillary or obama if you were non-republican. Why make such a stupid decision to vote clinton when it was clear she wouldnt win a long long time ago. She didn't secure her place on super tuesday months back, common sense suggested that her support was never gonna be enough. Especially since she changes her views and personality and contradicts herself every week =p