Re: Why Democracy is a Failure

I suspect there are going to be two competing political systems in the world in the future:

1. The Asian "Confucian" model (Singapore, China, Russia following(?))
- Alot of developing countries are keen to emulate this pathway to "success".

2. Traditional Western liberal democracy

Re: Why Democracy is a Failure

lol@yell

@tavius:
depends on what you mean by competing. But in any case I don't see the system surviving like it is. Its about to explode. That doesn't mean they will adopt a western style democracy tough. We have to wait and see I gues.

Re: Why Democracy is a Failure

democracy has become a failure because it is now down to two parties, which was never intended.
just like our government it was supposed to have three equal parties that kept the checks and balances and the dem's and rep's pushed out all others so that they can play with each other and the pages alone.

don't touch me i am contagious........;p

29 (edited by Justinian I 07-Nov-2010 22:15:52)

Re: Why Democracy is a Failure

LP,

Autocracy is the least likely to be taken over by elites, in which case it is no longer an autocracy. The only way to maintain an autocracy, and thus a government of stewardship, is for autocrats to be capable. Thus you need them to be selected by merit. Merit, of course, implies intelligence and hard work.

You may think that meritocratic selection will not work because it is unnatural, however it worked incredibly well in Rome under the period of the 5 good emperors. The emperor's power eventually passed on to Marcus Aurelius' son, but the circumstances in which that happened is more complicated than "Oh, Aurelius was just too sentimental about his son inheriting the throne."

The issue of government I am addressing is elites. My point is that representative government is the government of choice for a commercial elite. If I am wrong, then why is it that there is a huge correlation, both ancient, medieval and modern, between the emergence of a commercial elite and representative government? And furthermore, why do these representative governments tend to favor commercial interests the most? My second point is that political stewardship is short lived under such a system, and the best way to ensure stewardship is to establish an autocracy. Of course, you are welcome to counter my last point with reforms that you believe will limit elite influence and promote stewardship, but my knowledge of history gives me zero confidence in representative government being one of stewardship. If you want to counter my first point, then that is fine, but I believe it is my strongest point.

Re: Why Democracy is a Failure

dayum, someone with an actual brain showed up to say something. my mind just went BZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

don't touch me i am contagious........;p

31 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 03-Oct-2011 00:03:57)

Re: Why Democracy is a Failure

"Autocracy is the least likely to be taken over by elites, in which case it is no longer an autocracy."
Then define elites first before we continue debating.

"The only way to maintain an autocracy, and thus a government of stewardship, is for autocrats to be capable. Thus you need them to be selected by merit. Merit, of course, implies intelligence and hard work."
There is no selection system other then the one the person in power proposes. History learns us you will always end up with a problem leader after a while.

"You may think that meritocratic selection will not work because it is unnatural, however it worked incredibly well in Rome under the period of the 5 good emperors."
How did it end? Don't forget its not the emperors who made Rome great but the circumstances. The emperors only managed not to [botch] it up. If Marcus was a good leader, how come he put Commodus to the throne (even if it was his child)?