Topic: Did America over react to 11/9?

Now I dont support nor condemn the following article, I only publish it here as I know there are lots of Americans on the forum and it would be interesting to see their reaction to it.
Please note that while this is a passionate subject dont over react, the journalist says Al Quieda is barbaric, doesnt support it at all, just feels America over estimated the threat perhaps.

Newsweek article

Did America over react?

Nine years after 9/11, can anyone doubt that Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly a threat? Since that gruesome day in 2001, once governments everywhere began serious countermeasures, Osama bin Laden

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>>Nine years after 9/11, can anyone doubt that Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly a threat? Since that gruesome day in 2001, once governments everywhere began serious countermeasures, Osama bin Laden

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3 (edited by V.Kemp 08-Sep-2010 19:04:27)

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I want to read it with an open mind but the opening question is just ignorant. There are still motivated members of this group who murdered thousands less than a decade ago. That they're currently busy with more pressing fights in areas like Pakistan that they have a more urgent need to win in order to resume attacks on the US doesn't make them less deadly of a threat. It just makes their more deadly capacities preoccupied at this time.

He mistakes government expansion and an ignorant populace with overreaction. Government didn't expand to employ tens of thousands to produce reports nobody will ever read because of an overreaction to 9/11 (nice subject line). It expanded like that because our elected leaders don't care, and our people are too ignorant on average to get anything right. Stupid people doing what stupid people do have 9/11 as an excuse to keep at it--nothing more.

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first things first, as an american, 95% of americans are idiots and act as such. That said, the Quran burning thing going on? first off, the 'church' isn't doing it, it's the stupid american's doing a political stunt. Politics. Nothing more. The Church doesn't "stand up" or "fight back". The Bible teaches that we are to forgive and turn the other cheek. If someone comes in and robs you, but is caught and is put on trial, ok, hand is cut off as punishment by the state, but as a person you are to forgive the individual and love him like you love your own son, who may or may not have been killed in the process of the break-in, et al.

The guy who first decided, "hey let's burn the Quran" is in serious need of counseling, because not only is it against what the Bible teaches, but think about what all the zealous muslim's are gonna do. You're asking for another 9/11. Dozens. around the world. You will be starting something that once started will end only in tears. I'm not saying this from any religious viewpoint, I'm saying this from a logical viewpoint. They said hey, let's teach those radicals we don't take crap, and we're gonna fight back. What do you think radical's DO when they see something they are radical ABOUT being destroyed? THEY GET EVEN MORE RADICAL. Obviously someone hasn't thought this through, but some government officials have. Even if the idiots are still going to do it. Sometimes I wonder if I should move to another country so I am not associated with the blind asses in this one...


Secondly, American's always overreact. Always. Every time. Without fail. These guys surprise attacked us in Pearl Harbor, killed several thousand people, basically a sucker punch considering what we did back. Ok, let's nuke them with an atomic bomb. These guys in Vietnam are doing what we did to the british! Let's blow up the forest. Et al. American's overreact and 75% of the time, they look back with regret to their actions.


*Disclaimer: Most percentages I ever, EVER give are arbitrary numbers because let's face it: numbers are arbitrary and have no value except that which we attach it to.

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>>Secondly, American's always overreact. Always. Every time. Without fail. These guys surprise attacked us in Pearl Harbor, killed several thousand people, basically a sucker punch considering what we did back. Ok, let's nuke them with an atomic bomb. These guys in Vietnam are doing what we did to the british! Let's blow up the forest. Et al. American's overreact and 75% of the time, they look back with regret to their actions. <<

33% of America regrets it 100% of the time.  I regret nothing except the degeneracy into "civilization".

  And if you think breaking up Hirohito's Slave Empire was overreacting then go over there and shine shoes with your tongue.  Cause that's the use they had for us.

I'm joking.

They had subjugated Asians for that.

Gaijins weren't even worth keeping as slave labor.

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Converts get too zealous

America huge proponent of Slavery = Slaves are the most evil construct ever we would never do that
America and Britain = Inventors of the Nuclear bomb = Anyone trying to build a Nuke risks us destroying them
Britain - Largest Empire known to man = We will now complain whenever anyone else gets slightly imperialistic
America - Long term supporters of terrorism = Anyone even thinking of fighting against any form of government will be destroyed

7 (edited by Little Paul 10-Sep-2010 14:08:18)

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@khaz
It is funny, but it is also a simplification. The reasons for all this are many.

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> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> >>Secondly, American's always overreact. Always. Every time. Without fail. These guys surprise attacked us in Pearl Harbor, killed several thousand people, basically a sucker punch considering what we did back. Ok, let's nuke them with an atomic bomb. These guys in Vietnam are doing what we did to the british! Let's blow up the forest. Et al. American's overreact and 75% of the time, they look back with regret to their actions. <<

33% of America regrets it 100% of the time.  I regret nothing except the degeneracy into "civilization".

  And if you think breaking up Hirohito's Slave Empire was overreacting then go over there and shine shoes with your tongue.  Cause that's the use they had for us.

I'm joking.

They had subjugated Asians for that.

Gaijins weren't even worth keeping as slave labor.






not to mention we also put Japanese american's into internment camps, that were, if only, slightly better than the German concentration camps.

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Apart from the fact that those camps were not at all designed as an industrious machine to kill hundreds of people on a daily basis..

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Germany had concentration camps that were actually seperate from the death camps.

Thats besides the point though, Britain, Japan, America and Germany have all used concentration camps in the past.

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concentration camps in itself are a very efficient military tool, they did wonders in the Boer war and even after WWII the British used them in the malayan emergency and the Sri Lankan government has been using camps against the Tamil rebels until they ended the conflict.

of course they have a very bad connotation considering they are a tactic against innocent civilians and then of course there's the whole nazi death camp/soviet gulag twist on it... I tell ya they completely ruined the reputation of concentration camps!

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>>not to mention we also put Japanese american's into internment camps, that were, if only, slightly better than the German concentration camps.<<

but a lot better than the 8th Army Air Force barracks my granddad was at in Britain, because he not only didn't have his own room or a kitchen or his own fridge or a telephone, he didn't have a connecting bathroom, and Ike ordered every airman out of his bunk to be toting his issued sidearm.  so if he had to take a leak at 2 am he had to throw on his boots and a .45 pistol and run 100 yards through the snow and freezing air to the latrine.  Also he was put to hard labor which the interned Japs werent.

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Wow . . . so many stupid robots spitting out programming.  Have any of you ever researched anything for yourselves, or do you just cherry pick media soundbites that are directed from the left wing think tanks and call them thoughts?


I see some idiot brought up Japanese internment and he / she is totally ignorant of the numbers of Germans and Italian Americans that were interned during WW2.  Or maybe Listos is a racist that thinks anything done to caucasians is justified. 

Listos doesnt seem to have any problems with internment at all . . . just the internment of non caucasians.

Listos has never heard of Alcazar  De Valesco, and knows nothing about the Japanese espionage effort that was completely destroyed when America rounded up and contained people who might have had questionable loyalties.  Yet, people like Listos feel free to spew out their idiotic and dangerous opinions to sway others.

Maybe Listos should consult everyone on medical procedures as well.  His opinion would be just as accurate about that and just as ill informed.

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9/11 was an inside job

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You mean like, inside the WTC?

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"Germany had concentration camps that were actually seperate from the death camps."

If you mean POW camps, you're right. All the other camps were part of a system that eventually transported people to a deathcamp. Those can hardly be seen as a seperate unit.

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The freezing cold in England, Chris? tongue

Maybe slightly overstated? tongue

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With England, he meant Russia.

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19 (edited by East 14-Sep-2010 15:42:34)

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no he meant Britain. It can be dirt cold in winter in western europe too and the winters nearing the end of WWII were exceptionally cold

I do have to say though that toilet facilities at that time probably still consisted of a wooden shack over a hole in the ground for almost everyone in Europe

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yeah 1940 Britain had the worst snowfalls in 100 years

I'm sure Granddad knew he had it better than the infantry

he never owned a .45 after the war, he said he hated the damn things from having to wear one all day.  Ike ordered US airmen to be armed against German paratroopers, though it was probably just instilling discipline in troops camped in a friendly country.  Granddad said he still had it better than the guys who were issued a Thompson submachine gun, because they had to carry that to the latrine instead of a pistol

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hopefully they remembered which of their guns to fire when the hookers came around

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@now I get the "freezing cold" issue as well.

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>Did America Overreact?
Yes.

> Is Al Quaeda that big of a threat?
No.

> But, but, but, the towers!
They got lucky.

>But they're still-
Bombing the snot out of Arbaian markets? Oooh, that'll teach us, won't it?!

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Guess they got lucky on July 7th too?

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US-Americans are always over reacting. They lack the coolness of a long history. Taxes to pay the british soldiers who protected them from the indian tribes and the french? Revolution! State rights in danger? Secession! A sank steam liner? Enter First Worldwar! The soviets take South Vietnam? the world will become red! WAR, war crimes and body counts! Saddam, always a good ally, takes tiny Kuwait. Invasion! 9/11? Terrorist hunting in afganistan and a war in iraq, war crimes and body counts (again)! Iran is scared by an US-presence in iraq, saudi-arabia and afganistan and builds nuclear weapons? War?!