"Fact is, I wouldn't do that for any woman, especially not if I'm not getting laid." That sounds to me as though *you're* the one who's after the "thing between women's legs" as you so ineloquently put it. And Justinian, I'm talking about a different type of strength, not just the physical type. I mean that only weak men, those who can't look after a woman and are too scared to treat her completely right that they hit someone who is physically weaker than themselves. Therefore they are a coward. This is a strength that is very hard to put into words, so I'll use your example. Schwarzenegger hits his wife. It's obvious that he is physically very strong, so why hit someone who is obviously weaker than oneself?
Justinian, I'm not talking about money. A woman who is very caring probably won't let a man spend inordinate amounts of money on her. Even if you have no money, the idea to treat a woman as she should be: with courtesy and grace and compliments and thoughtfulness, and little things like that are far more important than money.
Furthermore, relationships aren't 'you scratch my back I'll scratch yours' and isn't how you were describing something there essentially prostitution? "Fact is, I wouldn't do that for any woman, especially not if I'm not getting laid." Anyway... I wasn't saying exactly what you think I was, but part was right. Give all you can, because, people, you will get something back if everything's right. If you give everything you can, and your girl is giving you everything, then something's working. You see? The main points of disagreement here are down to _experience_ of relationships, I believe.
More tiresome arguments from Decimus. At least Justinian develops his arguments. "if you weren't a sexist, you would have said "any decent man will put everyone else's needs before his own." but seeing how you obviously think the things located between legs play such an important role on who to help and who not, you can be labelled a sexist without risk of being mistaken." Look, the simple fact of the matter is that the subject is women and their needs, so I put my view on that, not the whole of humanity. Men are more often able to look after themselves anyway, so follows the whole thread.
Okey, Simon, I like women. That's the point of the whole thread in my opinion. You found the evidence that I wrote.
Decimus, if you want even a shread of respect, or even slight recognition that you are capable of putting your point across, try arguing and don't try and skip round things that stump you. You look even sillier if you don't admit defeat or try and come back. That isn't a personal attack, just advice.
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