>>I agree totally with abortion, simplly becuase the way you speak about it makes it sound like your taking a 5 year old child into the garden with a shotgun, in fact in 90% of abortion cases the actual embrio is what, about as big as a pin head, you cant even call that a child, in fact for all you know that child could die during the pregnancy anyway.....  Another good one is, what if the child has a serious illness "is missing its legs, its arms, has downs" ect, ect.  <<

don't forget being born British! So cruel to let them suffer...

ofc I am joking, sort of, although your quality of life : consumption of resources ratio would presumably JUSTIFY sterilization--to an Asian authority.  When you draw lines through the human race to justify your own comfort the sky's the limit.

um no, sperm has the fathers DNA period, freeze it and thaw it out and its just sperm.  a fertilized egg has its own DNA from conception. unique from either parent.

that's true in every species

and we don't play games with any other species, I don't get to smash bald eagle eggs cause there's no eagles inside...

> Spiritual wrote:

> I agree totally with abortion, simplly becuase the way you speak about it makes it sound like your taking a 5 year old child into the garden with a shotgun, in fact in 90% of abortion cases the actual embrio is what, about as big as a pin head, you cant even call that a child, in fact for all you know that child could die during the pregnancy anyway.....  Another good one is, what if the child has a serious illness "is missing its legs, its arms, has downs" ect, ect. 

WC is right, there are a lot of reasons why abortion is useful, rapeist, illness, mistakes, and children been brought into the world that are not wanted or loved, even birth control can fail, in which case bringing a life into the world when you cant look after that child is wrong anyway, or at least thats the way i see it..... In fact if people are against abortion then you could go as far as saying birth control is murder, however i do agree that government should spend more effort stopping the problem (ie teen pregnancy) and making birth control better and more availible than they do correcting the problem, is better to stop it happening in the first place than to abort the issue after.

yes, you can't call a embryo or a fetus a child, because thats not the level of development the human is at; they're at the embryo stage or the fetus stage... a embryo might not survive to become a fetus, a fetus might not survive to become a baby, a baby might not survive to become a toddler, a toddler might not survive to become a child, a child might not survive to become a pre-teen, a pre-teen might not survive to become a teen, a teen might not survive to become an adult; so when does killing a human being not become acceptable? what stage and why?

you know how many children have a serious illness such as missing legs or arms or downs syndrome that end up living a perfectly happy life? alot of them...

i don't deny abortion can be useful. the point is that usefulness does not ever justify murdering an innocent human being.

I'm pretty sure i'm not half a human, avo.

And you have touched the exact point of my problem with all of this by saying "more". Where is the line. When does it stop being just what it is, and become a life. It's all a very gray area. And to be honest, I don't really know which side I am on.
I very much disagree that abortion should be used as a contraceptive. However, on the other side, the world is overpopulated as it is, and I am pretty sure teen pregnancies are not a stimilus to getting an education and a proper job.
I probably won't make myself popular, and it may even be borderline racist what I'm going to claim here. But abortion is mostly wanted by a group of people that can not, or do not want to take the responsibility of taking precautions. Do we want these people to have more offspring. It really is a matter of evolution.

A) It ruines peoples' chances of making something of their life. Teenage moms generally drop out of school and have less of a future than "normal" teenagers.

B) The population of a "weaker" group grows, in an already overpopulated world.

C) You have to consider the future of the child. If the child was an accident, how loved will it be by it's parent(s?) How much of a chance will it get in the world. Is it even humane to make someone go through these circumstances. Is it better to live like crap than to not live at all (and not be aware of it)?

So, yea, I'm gonna go with the statement that the world would be better off with abortion. Does not per s

My sperm carries my DNA, therefor it carries human DNA.

As true as that may be, all I am trying to say is that there are so many different steps in this chain, that it would be hypocrytical to say this one is humane, but the next one isn't. It's completly subjective.

The key word is ethics.
The nazi's did intend to make a better race, an

> [TI] Primo wrote:

> The key word is ethics.
The nazi's did intend to make a better race, an

so, murdering millions of people like the nazi's wasn't ethical to improve the human race, but murdering millions of human embryo's and fetus's to improve the human race is?

> Petrolstone wrote:

> if pro-lifers had been aborted.

Abortion isn't politics. It's state funded murder.

I still want Petrolstone to clarify his statement or admit he's just trolling.

it is state funded murder, it's the wanton killing of human beings

At the point where none of these people are responding to PS anymore, does it matter if PS was trolling originally?